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KateGladstone

READING CURSIVE  

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  1. 1. Which of the following statements best describe[s] your experiences reading cursive?

    • I can read any style of cursive very easily, and I cannot remember a time when I couldn't read cursive.
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    • I can easily read any style of cursive, but I remember a time when I couldn't read cursive.
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    • I remember actually being taught to read one/some/all of the cursive letters.
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    • I don't remember actually being taught to read cursive -- I think I just "picked it up" from seeing it around me.
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    • I wasn't actually taught to read cursive: I "picked up" how to read it from learning how to write it.
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    • Having lessons in writing cursive didn't teach me how to read it: in handwriting lessons, I copied examples without actually being able to read what I was copying.
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    • I can read some styles of cursive, but I can't easily read (or I can't read at all) various other styles of cursive. [If you choose this choice, make a posting to state what styles of cursive you can and cannot read)
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    • I can read cursive (or I can read some cursive) now, but I only gained this ability in adulthood and/or years after my handwriting instruction ended. (If you choose this, make a posting to give details.)
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    • I cannot read any style of cursive whatsoever.
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    • The inability to read some/all cursive writing has made life difficult/unpleasant for me and/or for other people I have met. (If you choose this, make a posting to give details.)
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    • other (please make a post to explain)
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  2. 2. What do you consider the best/quickest/easiest/most logical technique[s] for making sure that students (or others who might not know cursive) become competent at reading cursive? (Consider making a posting to explain why you consider your choice the best/easiest/quickest/most logical.)

    • Don't teach anyone to read cursive because it's unimportant.
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    • Don't teach anyone how to read cursive because they will simply "pick it up" from the fact that they can see other people writing in cursive, they can see cursive fonts on products, and so on.
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    • Don't teach anyone to read cursive writing because they'll "pick up" the skill from learning to write cursive (e.g., from copying things written in cursive)
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    • Teach people to read cursive by teaching them to memorize the looks of these letters (e.g., "Look at this. This is a cursive G. What is this, class?")
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    • Teach them to read cursive by showing them how these developed from other letter-shapes that they can already read (e.g., to make sure that students can recognize a cursive G when they see one, sketch its relationship with the simpler and more familiar form that they already recognize -- show how this gradually became the kind they'll have to recognize when they see it today.)
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    • Teach people how to read cursive writing by "easing them into it": give them reading material that starts in a non-cursive font but that gradually becomes more and more "cursive-ish" as the story goes on. (E.g., successive sentences/paragraphs of the story could go from a typical printed/"book" font to an Italic font to a swash Italic font to an Italic/cursive hybrid, to simple cursive, to more complex cursive, to increasingly familiarize the reader with increasingly cursive modes of writing.)
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    • other (please make a post to explain)
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  3. 3. Which of the following best describes your own view of the relationship (if any) between cursive letters and other letters?

    • There is not/ there cannot be any relationship between the two. The cursive alphabet and the printed alphabet have nothing to do with each other.
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    • There is a relationship between cursive writing and printed writing, but it is not always an obvious relationship -- the relationship between cursive and printed "G" (in typical USA cursive models) is not at all obvious, but the relationship is still there and can be demonstrated for (e.g.) teaching-purposes.
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    • The relationship between cursive letters and other styles of letter is so obvious, for all letters, that I cannot imagine anyone NOT finding it completely self-evident and obvious.
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    • other (please make a post to explain)
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  4. 4. With fewer and fewer people writing cursive or even able to read it (in North America, at least), do you think that we will eventually no longer have enough of a "critical mass" of cursive-users to maintain the teaching of cursive?

    • No -- there is no danger that cursive will go extinct, that we will run out of people able to teach it, etc.
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    • Yes -- this is already happening, or I expect I will live to see it happen. Young people living today (who will become the next generation's parents/teachers) do not write cursive and/or they do not read it, so how could they teach the next generation to read and/or write cursive?
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    • I don't expect to live to see it happen, but it will probably happen within the lifetime of other people I know/other people on this Forum.
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    • other (please make a post to explain)
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  5. 5. Imagine that a publisher of cursive handwriting schoolbooks asks you for advice. The publisher says: "HELP! With fewer and fewer people willing to write cursive or teach it, we're rapidly running out of customers willing to buy our cursive books. Even those teachers/schools/parents who still buy our material are finding that they cannot use it effectively because they don't know cursive to begin with: they can't even read the examples, so they stop using the book. We don't want our company to die, we don't want to leave the handwriting field, we DON'T at all want to change our line from cursive to print-writing, and we don't want to switch over to offering only books on 'printing' because we believe it would be wrong to teach only 'printing.' What do you advise?"

    • I tell the publisher: "Give up -- shut down your handwriting operations entirely. Switch over to another subject, get out of the publishing business, or just shut down."
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    • I tell them: "Keep on with cursive, no matter what. No matter how many customers stop buying cursive books, you must continue to specialize in cursive: no matter what. If your company dies, at least it will die nobly."
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    • I say: "Stay in business by discontinuing cursive. Put out print-writing books instead, no matter how terrible this makes you feel, because at least those will have some chance of selling."
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    • I suggest: "Since your customers won't accept cursive and you don't want to go with just print-writing, I advise finding some handwriting style that they CAN accept and that still isn't printing. This will allow you to remain a handwriting publisher, attract new customers, and/or re-attract the customers you may have lost."
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    • I point out: "Whatever you decide to do, if you stay in the handwriting field at all, you have a responsibility to make sure that your customers and their students can still read cursive. Even if you decide that you have to give up on cursive and teach some other style instead, make sure that anyone using your materials will still learn how to READ cursive."
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    • other (please make a post to explain)
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Other things that let Italic gain faster speed for equally legible writing:

 

/1/ In conventional cursive, such joins as "sc" or "pa" or "qu" or "gl" consist of multiply-curved lines -- in Italic, instead of producing curved motions on paper to join these letters, you can (and often must) produce straight-line motions in the air. The straight line (the shortest distance between two points) saves so much time in the movement between letters that the time saved actually exceeds the time used in having the pen slightly leave the paper during this movement.

 

/2/ (a biggie) -- In conventional cursive, every time you write the letters "t/i/j/x" you must wait until the end of the word to finish the letter (by adding the needed dot or cross-bar), which means that you have to backtrack all the way leftward to the letter you need to finish, then place the dot/crossbar (and most writers need to slow down, for this purpose, if they wish to ensure that the dot or crossbar goes onto the correct letter instead of landing on some other letter), and then you must reverse your course again in order to move forward once more to the end of the word so that you can then -- only then -- begin the next work.

In Italic, though, when you write a "t/x/j" you normally make (and when you write the letter "i" you CAN make) the dot or crossbar without waiting for the end of the word and back-tracking: lift your pen, add the dot or crossbar (adding it immediately makes sure that the dot or crossbar stays on the correct letter), then proceed with the rest of the word ... and when you reach the end of the word, in Italic you HAVE ended the word (no need for backtracking!) and you can just go right on to the next word.

 

 

 

Why do you go out of your way to criticize cursive? The fact is, you are constantly starting and stopping with italic: a, b, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, m, n, p, q, r, t, u, v, w, x, y all require multiple movements if done rigorously. The letters b, e, g, p, s, x in particular have the pen moving away from the direction of writing flow to finish the letter. A combination such as 'th' takes 4 movements compared to 2 in cursive. Depending on the particular style of italic, capital letters can take up to 6 strokes to complete, even in simple forms, some take 4. Actually, I am not even counting the movements to pick up and put down the pen and movement to the next stroke position. If I did a letter such as 'M' wouldn't be 4 movements, but 14.

 

Let's look at some examples you've given: 'sc' or 'pa' or 'qu' or 'gl'

With 'sc,' 'pa,' and 'gl' the first letter is completed with the pen moving away from the writing flow. 'sc and 'gl' are the worst because of the diagonal distance you must move to begin the formation of the next letter.(And quite frankly, this is no different than cursive, except the pen in not on the paper.) 'pa' and 'qu' take 4 strokes to complete as compared to 1 for cursive.

 

I also find it to be irrelevant to criticize the idea of finishing a letter at the time of formation as opposed to the end of a word. Actually, there are times this is beneficial. For example: the word attitude. With italic, you've stopped three times to cross each 't'. With cursive, I can do all three at once, saving two movements.

 

So, I've shown how anyone can pick apart any style of handwriting should they so choose.

 

Both styles of handwriting are important, but to put down cursive simply because you are a hard-core advocate of italic writing is non-productive in my opinion. If you prefer one over the other, that's fine. But it is disingenuous to make one seem superior to another, when in fact, I've shown it just isn't true.

 

 

-Bruce

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Not being an educator by profession, I'm not current on the teaching side of this debate.

 

Cursive is easier to write (once you learn the technique) and takes a little more focus to read than printed English. As long as people need to hand write a lot, cursive will be widely used. People will naturally avoid learning what they don't absolutely have to know and our schools are must less demanding and insistent on absorption of knowledge than they were a couple of generations ago. Many American kids now graduate who can neither write or read cursive. Many of the same kids cannot subtract, multiply and divide without a calculator.

 

The gradual phasing out of cursive has more to do with the proliferation of computers and the age of instant texting, messaging, & email than anything else. When we can efficiently speak to our computers and have that translate into verbal & printed communications, people will lose the ability to type as well.

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In the poll, I was conflicted about how to answer the question about what style of cursive I can read. My initial response would have been "I can read all styles" - but then I remembered the dickens of a time I have with Kurrentschrift and Sütterlin and chose "I can read some styles". Never mind that I don't read much German and that knowing the language is half the battle when deciphering a lot of the handwriting in styles I do understand.

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  • 3 weeks later...

voted and I think that teaching cursive is an important step in penmanship.

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