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De Atramentis Purpura Permanenta http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20Purpura%20Permanenta/DA%20Purpura%20Permannta0002%20fpn_zpsbdepahxw.jpg I was looking for another pruple ink next to my beloved J. Herbin Poussiere de lune. It should not be to feminin (what is feminin in Inks??? ) or to pinkish like Pelikan 4001 Violet. http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20Purpura%20Permanenta/DA%20Purpura%20Permannta0005%20fpn_zps0spdb8ja.jpg All written with De Atramentis Glass Pen So I tried making one myself with the De Atramentis Document inks (CMYK) http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/document_ink_2_zpst5tfsfyf.jpg Made by Australian Artist and Urban Sketcher Liz Steel http://www.lizsteel.com De Atramentis Purpura Permanenta http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20Purpura%20Permanenta/DA%20Purpura%20Permannta0006%20First%20page%20FPN_zpsqu8t2t0d.jpg Check Jane Blundell's webite it is awesome http://www.janeblundellart.com This ink was tested using procedures from the "Polish Proces" of ink testing developed by the great Polish Ink Connaisseur Visvamitra http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20Purpura%20Permanenta/Purpura%20ermanenta%20Colorpick_zpsbhbbhf5q.jpg The Ink is a deep purple an highly saturated.... http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20Purpura%20Permanenta/Scan_Pic0006%20FPN_zpsroalxsgb.jpg Blow-Your-Nose-With-Ink Down here are some of the technical specs (as suggested by Ann Finley 2007) (not copied in but for this ink) http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20Purpura%20Permanenta/DA%20Purpura%20Permannta0003%20Smpler%20FPN_zpsu4kmendp.jpg points 1-5 1 = 5= Fountain Pens: De Atramentis Glass Pen Raven Fine, Parker Premier M; Online Best Writer 1,4 Italic Paper: Walzmühle Reflex Paper and ordinary copying paper Drying time: 5 seconds points 5 Flow: very smooth even in both the cheap and potenitally scratchy Dip Pens points: 5 Lubrication: medium wet points: 3 Feathering : None points 5 Showthrough: ittle-medium points:3 Bleeding: nada points 5 Shading: medium points: 3 Waterproof: ABSOLUTELY points 5 Package: In(high quality) bottles only points 4 Availabilty: EU La Couronne Du Comte.... Heaven on earth for Fountain Pens...In heaven there are Angels here there are 2 and they are called Rick & Dennis.... Htese "Fountain Pen Angles go to gret lengthand try to serve avery wish you have http://www.lacouronneducomte.nl.... Not planning to die soon but wanting a preview of heaven? here is a look inside https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/277861-fountain-pen-heavenlivela-couronne-du-comte/ USA The Goulet Pen Company is the centre of excellence for al writing materials ins the USA run by the passionate Rachel and Brian Goulet http://www.gouletpens.com Singapore and Asia Arters is a lovely store for Art and writing materials ran by the friendly Yit peng ong and her husband who is an excellent artist http://www.arters.com.sg Australia and New Zealand Larry Post is THE shop for artist and writing supplies in Australia. Je nny and Ian Saunders are always glad to help you and....also with presents for your loved ones (Suprise me!) http://www.larrypost.com.au No need to mention tat all these lovely shops deliver world wide if wanted Permanency These Inks.... (oops scanner "bit" a piece of the paper) http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20Purpura%20Permanenta/DA%20Purpura%20Permannta0004%20fpn_zps4gserff7.jpg These Inks are truly bombproof I have tested them wiht several aggresive fluids. Wiht Talisker Whisky and Connamara Whisky for an Irish FPN Memer... I Ate garlic and breezed on it... and It is even Methane-gas resistant but I will spare you the description how I tested that http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/DA%20CMYK%202%20test%20008_zpsevd68mgp.jpg More on the Permanecy of the De Atramentis Document inks you find here https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/270697-de-atramentis-document-inks-brown-and-green/ Verdict and Conclusion This ink is well behaving. It is ver wet but ultra quickly drying less than 10 secends which makes this ink handy for lefties. There is some show through due to it's permanency but this remains very acceptable. Bleedthrough is absent though so is feathering... The Colour I very much like... Shading is only minimal.... But the saturation is deep and the deep Violet is beautiful... Both The Herbin and the De Atramentis can be used for work in my opinion. the De Atramentis is suitable for officicial documents... Love the colour.... Suitable for every day but wiht a little extra distinction Regards Peter

De Atramentis Artist Box Dear FPN Friends.., I have already tested several ultra BOMBPROOF De Atramentis inks... I have also tested the CMYK permanent inks before (see link). https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/275148-de-atramentis-document-cmyk-inks-mixing-experiment/ These permanent inks are not only important for official purposes.... They are also the holy grail for artist and painters. I have been in contact wiht several artist like, Jane Blundell, Liz Steel Pctogramax and Urban Sketchers.... These artists are looking for the following. Permanent inks, which cannot be erased or bleeched by sunlightInks which you can paint over wiht without running of the colours (or vice versaQuick drying inksExcellent and safe behaviour in Fountain PensVarious Colours Some of you might know that I am in frequent friendly contact with the utterly friendly owner of De Atramentis, dr Franz Josef Jansen... I sort of help him (you know i like sharing my enthusiasm) a bit Helping YOU his client s and Artists As he is always passionat on inks, keen on helping his clients and an Art enthusiast he has now made several permanent ink colours on the wish of his clients. he now introduced the DE ATRAMENTIS CMYK ARTIST INK BOX http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/001_zps6f1ff59e.jpg These inks are now available as a set in square bottles for easy shipping and storing I have experienced with colour mixing before and here are my second tests http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20CMYK%20test%202/DACMYK2testcolourmessfpn_zps3ea7093c.jpg The Ink Mess where is put on my first lines.... (the text is writen with the LOVELY SAILOR Jentle Shigure) http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20CMYK%20test%202/DACMYK2testamethistfpn_zps8698dd36.jpg Quick and Dirty test to make a Purple http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20CMYK%20test%202/DACMYK2testgrensfpn_zps408ef901.jpg Some Greenish Experiments http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20CMYK%20test%202/DACMYK2testfromredtobrown_zps1dea415d.jpg From Red to brown... or even.... http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20CMYK%20test%202/DACMYK2testsomebrownsfpn_zpsf4ebafe9.jpg More Brwon Are these permanent??? http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20Docu%20Brown%20green/DaBrownGreenbombfpn_zps1e36dfb6.jpg Test of the ready-mixed Green De Atramentis Document ink http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/De%20Atramentis%20CMYK%20test%202/DACMYK2test008_zps94384e9d.jpg My today'stest YES THEY ARE!!! How to obtain these??? Australia and New Zealand www.larrypost.com.au USA http://gouletpens.com EU http://www.lacouronneducomte.nl For all of the world if not available via above mentioned or your shop... http://www.de-atramentis.com Special Offer There is a special offer at De Atramentis.... 4 =3 You order 4 and pay only 3.... it is filed under market watch The instructions how to obtain these or other inks you can find here... https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/273790-free-bottle-of-de-atramentis-ink/ Artists experience with DA Document inks Artists seem to love this stuff Jane Blundell (fellow FPN member too) http://janeblundellart.blogspot.co.at/2014/11/coloured-drawing-inks.html Liz Steel http://www.lizsteel.com/2014/01/exciting-alternative-to-noodlers.html Pictogramax (Fellow FPNMember) https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?app=members&module=messaging&section=view&do=showConversation&topicID=194554 Dr Jansen of de Atramentis simply loves the art works made with these inks.... He so much loves Art Work made with Inks htat he will open a FREE online Gallery for Ink Artists, where thesy cann publish for free and even sell their works.... the... De Atramentis Ink Art Gallery... coming up next year Too Conclude Well You might know I am an INKOHOLIC.... I am an Ink-Polygamist.... I Love Pelikan, I love J. Herbin, I love Sailor Jentle... Blast I am truly an Ink-bi.bo But I so much love this stuff... I can use it at work for official documents, I can mix every bombproof an fountain pen safe clour I want.... I love the ink mixing... I so much love this stuff that i want to Drink sniff and inject it ..... NO just kidding... Some of you would agree... I am crazy but not that crazy (although I tasted a bit od the DA Merlot Wine Ink ) Well let me say I like it a lot Regards Peter

On Permanent Inks. I have noticed that there have been a lot of discussions on Permanent inks. A lot of questions have risen through time. I will list a few of them below and try to answer them as good as possible. Is it safe for fountain pens What are the requirements for a ink to be considered permanent Are they really permanent Can these inks be used without doubts/regular Fountain Pen maintenance Is it safe for Fountain Pens?This depends on what the ink is made of. Throughout history inks were made with either soot or Iron gall. The advantage is they are very permanent and lightfast. The disadvantage is that they are not safe for fountain pens. Iron Gall inks Iron gall inks damage the Nib and clog up the nib and feed. Iron gall, because off the iron gall acid may also damage the paper. They tend to ‘eat away the paper’. An example of this ‘eating away the paper can be found in the archives of the Dutch East Indies Company (VOC). Although the ink is perfectly legible, the paper from the 17th century is severely damaged today. Soot based inks. Soot has been used for Ink making since the antiquity. I have published an article on that called “Ink History Antiquity”. You can find the article following the link below. A major advantage of these inks is that they are not only permanent. But they are truly black. This being truly black isn’t always the case today. Down here you find a link of my Fountain pen hero SBRE Brown. In this video he tests several black inks to see whether they are really black or more like greyish. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvfGrJIpKBQ These soot based inks are for Fountain Pens because they clog the feed of the pens. Beware both Iron Gall and Soot based inks your beloved Fountain Pen! What are the requirements for a ink to be considered permanent. To be considered permanent and suitable for use by i.e. lawyer and registers. The ink has to comply with certain standards. The international certification is ISO 12757-2. Requirements for permancy · Waterproofness · Light fastness · Resistance against any outer (chemical) influences · The ink may not be removed without damaging the paper · Light fastness can be tested with the wool scale. A scale for testing light fastness in the textile and offset industry stars grades Wool Scale Adapted and translated from Wikipedia Germany: Wollskala description 1 und 2 not light fast * 3 Very little light fast ** 4 Little lightfast *** 5 und 6 Light fast **** 7 Highly light fast ***** 8 Highest light fastness • Resistance against any outer (chemical) influences It has to be resistant against chemical substances like alcohol or cleaning agents • The ink may not be removed without damaging the paper This way the texts cannot be manipulated without leaving traces This is achieved by a certain surface tension. The ink has to drench in order to be permanent. This is what the old inks, as described in the VOC example, did. In a review on the new Montblanc permanent inks on FPN this ink was praised for the absence of bleed through. This means that the ink is sort of ‘laying on the paper’, without drenching the fibres of the paper. Whether this ink is truly permanent is questionable. The ink has to drench the paper without damaging it. The disadvantage of bleed trough can be countered by the use of thicker paper like =>100 grs or by using a finer nib. Are they really permanent There are now inks on the market that are both permanent and safe for Fountain Pens. As mentioned above they have to apply to the ISO 12757-2 standard and drench the paper. These inks are truly permanent and suited for use by lawyers, doctors and registrars Down here are some manufactures that produce permanent or bulletproof inks · Noodlers www.noodlersink.com Do not only make flexible nibs (for line variation and nice shading of inks) They also have nice variety of bulletproof inks in several colours Just a warning on the Noodlers Baystate Blue as mentioned by the Foutain Pen Professor Richard Binder on it’s website But since this article only mentions the Bay State Blue… Just go for their other nice Bulletproof inks J · Montblanc Permanent Ink (www.montblanc.com ) Only two colours black and blue Is it truly permanent see above Quite expensive Nice bottles though Caution: As far as I know the old Montblanc inks were based on iron gall, although I am not sure.Better be careful · De Atramentis (www.deatramentis.com ) (www.tinten-online.de with more ink info) De Atramentis is a small German company with a vast array of (255) inks. Their nano particle document ink apply with the ISO 12757-2 and do drench the paper Following colours are available Blue, Dark Blue, Black, Magenta, Turquoise. A green document inks is being developed at the moment I have already poste a review on DA Document Ink Blue. It is not cheap (€18 /$20 a 30 ml. bottle). But it is truly permanent and writes superbly https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/263866-de-atramentis-document-ink/ I am working on a review on the DA Document Ink Dark Blue now which is a Black blue Ink. I have posted a photo of a handwritten page here. The full review of DA Document black will be online soon (with scans) as will the other DA Document colours will be too soon. Can these inks be used without doubts/regular Fountain Pen maintenanceNO NO NO!!! Richard Binder THE Fountain Pen Professor has written a nice article on that. With nano particle ink you should clean your Fountain Pen regularly. I have been using De Atramentis Document ink for about a year now. I always have In of my pens filled with it. I clean it every 2-3 month and hav not experienced any problems what so ever. http://richardspens.com/ Article:Inks The good the Bad and the Ugly Most Ink Companies warn you to clean your Fountain Pen more often if you use permanent ink. Please do so In fact always clean your Fountain Pens every 2-3 months Too conclude I am very much interested in your experiences with permanent inks. And I would like to see some of your reviews with Noodler’s Bullet proof inks. I Hope this was informative. For more information check the excellent website of Richard Binder. THE Fountain Pen Professor. Warmest regards,