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De Atramentis Document Orange I reviewed it’s sibling ink a few weeks ago, this is a paler version, watery and lacks lubrication. https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/375068-de-atramentis-artist-orange/ When I first tested this ink few years ago, it didn’t leave a good impression. It still has not changed. If you're addicted to fountainpens and looking for a cure, this ink it is. My hand refuses to reach for the pen, I'm cured On the plus says it’s good on copy paper, and for those who love shading it does, but the legibility becomes compromised. If you absolutely need a waterproof orange, I will go for the Artist version (it’s cheaper and more lubricated) or try one of the numerous Octopus Write and Draw oranges. I would say this ink is only useful for art, ink washes and mixing. Note the images are harsh so you might need sunglasses 😎 Chroma: Writing Samples: It's impossible to scan and difficult to photograph. I added full page comparison with De Atramentis Artist Orange, so you can make up your mind: I didn't use a flex pen, I dipped a Brause rose dip pen nib. Scan: : Photo: These were photographed with the Northern light It didn't bleed through copy paper This was done 3 years, on HP 32 paper with my impressions: Comparison: Water test: Was done several years ago, so kitty is safe And finally a humorous art work, entitled Fred & Ginger Inks used: Platinum Carbon Black and an unidentified Greenish ink (probably Diamine Dark Forest) · Pens used: Pilot Kakuno Ef, Lamy (EF/F/M/B, 1.1), Brause dip pen nib. · What I liked: Writing on copy paper, but most of all emptying my pen. · What I did not like: Almost everything. · What some might not like: It’s a pigment ink, it's pale. · Shading: Yes · Ghosting: No. · Bleed through: No. · Flow Rate: Watery · Lubrication: Dry · Nib Dry-out: Did not notice. · Start-up: Ok · Saturation: Pastel · Shading Potential: Surprisingly yes. · Sheen: No. · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: Did not notice. · Nib Creep / “Crud”: Did not notice. · Staining (pen): It stained the feed with orange after soaking all night in cleaning solution. · Clogging: Did not notice. · Cleaning: Like all pigment inks the more it stays in the pain the more difficult the cleaning. · Water resistance: Excellent. · Availability: 45 ml bottles. Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier

De Atramentis Document White To my knowledge there are two white inks by De Atramentis (Document and Artist), Noodler’s Whiteness of Whale (though technically speaking it’s not a white ink from what I understand), and Octopus Write and Draw, Polar Bear white. This is an unusual ink, somehow like Maalox, liquid chalk or whitewash; take your pick It’s disconcerting when you see it in fountain pen. It shows off all the muck in the feed and how dirty your convertor truly is Here is a photo of a stained no named Chinese piston filler I tested it on two types of paper one a no name notebook bought from Amazon (a not so black absorbent paper, and the other a true black Mix Media from Clairefontaine. It really needs a true black paper to contrast with. Don’t go for a cheap paper, you’ll regret it. Ink was atrociously awful in Pilot Kakuno with Ef nib. It clogged a noname Chinese Piston filler. However, in the Lamy Safari it was wonderful writer. This is more of sketching ink, than a writing ink or maybe an ink for teachers who have the nostalgia of black boards. It was fun reviewing this ink, as there’s not much to do I didn’t bother to use Stub and flex nibs; and doing the chroma was irrelevant. 😛 And finally cleaning this ink is really difficult and time consuming. So don’t fill your latest, shiny overpriced piston filler with this ink, otherwise you’ll curse the pen, ink and the hobby. Writing samples: No name very absorbent notebook from Amazon: Clairefontaine see the contrast between the two papers (photo:) and a few sketches: on no name paper: The Artist within On Clairfontaine: "Balloon" and another "detente" ert · Pens used: Pilot Kakuno Ef, Lamy Safari (EF/F/M/B) · What I liked: Sketching on a very dark paper. · What I did not like: Clogging in some pens, cleaning, work with a Japanese Ef · What some might not like: You need black paper. · Shading: n/a · Ghosting: n/a · Bleed through n/a · Flow Rate: Wettish · Lubrication: n/a · Nib Dry-out: Yes · Start-up: Yes. · Saturation: n/a · Shading Potential: n/a · Sheen: n/a · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: n/a · Nib Creep / “Crud”: Yes. · Staining (pen): n/a · Clogging: Yes. · Cleaning: Very, very difficult. Takes time. · Water resistance: I cannot ascertain it. I tried a wet Q-tip on the Clairefontaine and the Q-tip turned black. I assume the paper came off, so did the ink · Availability: 45 ml bottles. Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier

I really wanted to like this ink, but it didn't sing for me. Before writing I had to smudge the ink to make sure it was the right ink. That's when you have too many pens inked But as you will see, in scans it's clearly a brownish/ reddish ink and looks very elegant. The cleaning was a bit of pain. I was really disappointed when I had smudging during the water test. That's not something I was expecting from a document ink. I got my sample from Goulet's, but couldn't find this ink on De Atramentis's website. Maybe it's discontinued or maybe renamed? 😛 Let's start with the chroma: Writing samples: It seems I forgot to write with a sample with Japanese Ef and forgot to crop the first image. Ah well, nobody's perfect Maybe @LizEF will do a review in 2025 😜 Midori Very well behaved on Hammermill... Photo (TR 68gr) Comparison: Water test: (quelle horreur!) And finally an artwork, entitled fall. The red ink, is De Atramentis Document Red with a bit Black Red mixed in, · Pens used: Pilot Kakuno Ef, Stub, Lamy Safari (EF/F/M/B/Stub 1.1), Osmiroid Nib · What I liked: I wasn’t enamored with the colour but found it enjoyable with a broad nib. · What I did not like: Not an interesting colour with finer nibs, might as well stick with black. Not 100 percent waterproof. · What some might not like: The same as above and cleaning. · Shading: With M/B nibs. · Ghosting: No. · Bleed through: No. · Flow Rate: Wet · Lubrication: Lower than average. · Nib Dry-out: Didn’t notice. · Start-up: No. · Saturation: Saturated. · Shading Potential: Only with M/B nibs. · Sheen: No. · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: Did not notice. · Nib Creep / “Crud”: Did not notice. · Staining (pen): No. · Clogging: No. · Cleaning: I didn’t have the patience to soak it overnight in water and went the easy way, with a cleaning solution. · Water resistance: Good. I was surprised that some of the ink came off. · Availability: 45 ml bottles. Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier

I read the first issue of the 2016 Pelikan newsletter and Pelikan is releasing the Pelikan Fount India in the same 30ml bottle as the 4001 ink, to market it in the document/archival inks segment. See here . This ink had been available in the distant past bottled for fountain pens. In recent years, it was available (though rather obscurely) in a not so practical plastic bottle, mainly aimed for the dip pen/caligraphy market. However once one has got to using a dip pen, Scribtol is an even better choice for a permanent black ink (absolutely NOT suitable for fountain pens and extremely difficult to remove from anything when dry). This is a fount india ink which is optimized for use in piston filling fountain pens. Provided the ink doesnt dry into the pen and good pen hygiene is practiced, it is fully safe. it is a relatively wet deep black ink, very permanent and very difficult to remove once it dries. My personal needs in this sector are covered with Pelikan 4001 Blue Black and R&K Salix and Scabiosa, and I have also filled an empty 4001 bottle with Scribtol for my glass dip pens. However it is nice that Pelikan is recognising the need to market more permanent inks and brought this back from obscurity in a nice usable bottle.