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Allied Forces Germany- Framerica / De Atramentis Wilhelm 2 - Waterman Havana http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/20150507_093138_zpsj83jzcub.jpg You read the title and think.... What a silly pillock that Morbus Curiositas is There is no country named Framerica... ...Well you are partially right.... There isno country named Framerica ... But Waterman was founded in America and is now produced in France (l' Homme d'eau???) and is part of the American Newell Rubberdoll company... Who cares..... Let's role! De Atramentis Wilhelm 2 - Waterman I did a review of De Atramentis Wilhelm 2 yesterday and had a déjà vu... http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/colour%20comp%20fpn_zps6ygn81yv.jpg Well don't know but I see similarities... But maybe I need new glasses or even worse I need to see a neurologist because I have a loose contact (er eh a new one ) that interferes my cognition.... Maybe you could help here.... will insert some side to side comparisons here and leave the judgment upto you....In the end you may decide... Blow my nose with ink comparison http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20blow%20my%20nose%20comparrison_zpsgwm9stkq.jpg Ink Vomitus comparison http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20vomit%20comparison_zpsg1qlvgiq.jpg Both inks have a red brown volour. In daylight the Wilhelm 2 has a bit more (wine?) red and Havana tends to a rust brown, a bit darker than ordinary iron rust though. But that is in larger "surfaces" like above.... How is that in written text.... Let's see Handwritten text comparisons http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20handwritten%20text%20comparison_zpsvbgsch0f.jpg Left is Wilhelm 2 and right is Havana both text were taken from the succesive reviews http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20samplertext%20comparison_zpsr3ry3q1p.jpg This is a close up from the Havana sampler form (see down here) http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20sampler%20comparison_zpsjb1cqte4.jpg Ink Behaviour Both inks are smooth. Both inks are wet but the Wilhelm 2 is wetter... De Atramentis inks usually are. Both inks dry quickly and the De Atramentis ink even faster. Both inks only show little shading but this is compensated by the high sauration resultign in rich and deep colours. Feathering is absent in both inks... the De Atramentis shows just a very little more showthrough but in both case this isn't an issue the reason For more showthrough might be this: http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20Cousteau%20comparison_zpsba51mtcw.jpg After half an hour underwater. The De Atramentis ink lost it's colour but the text is still legible.... The Waterman ink dissapeared quicker than your saving after the 2008 Bank crisis.... That might be the reason why the Wilhelm 2 shows a very little more showthrough.... This in my opinion does not make the Waterman less, good remember both inks were not designed to be waterproof. The Wilhelm 2 is therefore maybe even more suited for use at work... Ink sampler comparison http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20sampler%20comparison_zpsjb1cqte4.jpg Availability Waterman Havana This is one of those inks that is even available on the moon, simply hijack a passing space craft.... But since you and I most probably will not get to the moon that often at least I don't)... I will give you some adresses here La Couronne Du Comte I guess Dennis and Rik would even travel to the moon to get it for you (just pay them a million or 2 ) Well it is safe to say that they do almost everything to satisfy their customers http://www.lacouronneducomte Bankers have Rothshild Ink lovers have the Goulet Pen Compan. Rachel and Brian carry the ALMOST largest soritment of ink on earth an it's near surroundings http://www.gouletpens.com (almost Dear Amberlea Davis carries the largest assortiment in the universe but is not a seller Availability De Atramentis Wilhelm 2 Here is a link to the corresponding page on the De Atramentis website http://www.de-atrame...ntain-pens--28/ La Couronne du Comte http://www.lacouronneducomte.nl is always keen on satisfying their customers. If interested in the ink you can sen an e-mail to Rik or Dennis athttp://info@lacouronneducomte.nl Too Conclude Well should is I see the optician or just the neurologist? Both inks have a lovely warm and deep rich red brown colour. Wilhelm 2 is a tad more red and Havana a little more brownish..... In written test this difference is minimum though... Since they both behave well and I the colours which are descent enough for everyday use but stil distinctive and elegant... Regards Peter De Atramentis Wilhelm 2 extensive review https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/290183-de-atramentis-clark-wilhelm-2-my-favourite-ink-maker-and-my-favourite-history-teacher-in-one-review/ Waterman Havana extensive review https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/290245-waterman-havana/