ST Dupont Blue Black

[girlieg33k]

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[HDoug]

Nice! I don't suppose it's waterproof...? Thanks for the recent batch of ink reviews/scans!

 

Doug

[gylyf]

Ooh, that's gorgeous, Kate. Sadly, I sought this ink out the last time I was in Paris and was told it had been discontinued. Too bad, because it looks on my screen like an ideal blue-black. Thanks for the review,

David

[CharlieB]

I WANT THIS INK.

 

Let's start a letter-writing campaign to ST Dupont to see if they will put it back into production.

[Aslan]

I would buy this ink IMMEDIATELY, if not sooner! Dupont needs to bring it back. Anyone got a hoard they'd like to sell? How about a recipe that produces this color?

 

John

[mrjustice]

What is the recipe for the mix that is close to this color?

[kazoolaw]

Curious: is the bottle labeled blue-black, or bleu nuit?

Have the latter and love it.

gary

[cmeisenzahl]

Nice work! I really like that color and saturation.

[HesNot]

That is one of my all time favorite colors. I received a hand written letter and was very impressed by this shade - sadly it is nearly impossible to find in bottles from what I can tell. I like it enough I have thought about buying cartridges and emptying them into a bottle so I could use it...

[Monsieur Dupont]

Didn't realise Dupont did this colour at all - must get some cartridges and try it - looks really nice.

M

Edited May 5, 2008 by Monsieur Dupont

[Aslan]

You mention in your review that you have come up with a mix that is very close to this color. Could you post it for the rest of us? This stuff is impossible to find except in cartridges, which I don't use.

 

Thanks much,

 

John

[Aslan]

  Aslan said:

You mention in your review that you have come up with a mix that is very close to this color. Could you post it for the rest of us? This stuff is impossible to find except in cartridges, which I don't use.

 

Thanks much,

 

John

 

Never mind (unless you've changed the mix). I found it here.

 

John

 

[simonrob]

  Monsieur Dupont said:

Didn't realise Dupont did this colour at all - must get some cartridges and try it - looks really nice.

M

 

I love the colour in Kate's scan and plan to follow her recipe, so I stopped by our only decent local ink supplier in Philadelphia which, unfortunately, didn't have any DuPont ink in bottles. They did, however, have cartridges; being impatient I bought some just to see what I might expect to mix up when I finally track down some bottles. Perhaps they had a bad batch, but the ink in these cartridges is unbelievably pale and watery; what's more, like Waterman's Blue-Black it changes from blue to teal after it dries (there's a radical change within about ten minutes); I reckon that if you diluted Waterman's Blue-Black c. 2:1 (or even 3:1) water:ink (yes, water:ink, not vice versa) you would end up with something similar to this. Nice colour for a shirt, but it's not blue-black. The packaging, incidentally, gives the colour two different names: one edge reads BLEU NUIT, the other BLUE BLACK (in a thread elsewhere it is suggested that, at least when these were available in bottles, they were two different colours). The little box with a colour sample next to the name, however, looks like Kate's scan.

 

Anyone else have a similar experience with the cartridges?

 

Simon

[Melnicki]

i recently have seen a paper sample of this from GirleG33k, and WOW. it is THE blue-black, as far as I'm concerned. It's dark, but definitely blue. It's blacker than PR Black Magic Blue. It's bluer and less-black than Van Gogh Starry Night. Greyer than PR Midnight Blues. Very close to Manhattan Blue, but greyer. new skrip blue black is similar if it goes down wet, but otherwise it's too light. Ellis Island is too black, too greenish.

 

I don't like blueblacks, nor blue, but I want this ink!!!

 

I tried making a mix to replicate it (and failed!) with DCSS and Lex Grey and N's Black. Unfortunately, it looks too greenish (shades nice though!), so I'm going to have to start over again. I'm wondering if I should use a less-saturated Blue (I have Glacier Blue), a different black (Standard Black is yellowish, which could have made the green), or use a dark brown to darken (remember that awesome blue-"black" scan by someone a few months ago? Or I could use some purple with the blue?

 

i'd like everyone to put their heads to this, because i just haven't seen a blue-black ink to look like this!!! it's incredible.

[davidwholt]

  Melnicki said:

i'd like everyone to put their heads to this, because i just haven't seen a blue-black ink to look like this!!! it's incredible.

 

As I learned about in defending my MS thesis,

about maybe making things more complicated than necessary,

could this be a case for Occam's Razor? *

 

My thoughts when I discovered DuPont blue-black is unavailable

were to mix something like 4 parts of their blue with 1 part of their black

(admittedly I'm looking for something substantially blue).

 

Haven't tried this yet, but for one thing should minimize

what I understand can be undesirable outcomes.

As when mixing say an acidic ink with more neutral one,

the resulting ink may have hardly any of the good qualities of either,

or some kind of sludge might precipitate out of the solution.

(OK, worst case I know, but why not start out simple?)

 

http://www.2think.org/occams_razor.shtml *

 

"William of Occam (or Ockham) (1284-1347) was an English philosopher and theologian. His work on knowledge, logic and scientific inquiry played a major role in the transition from medieval to modern thought. He based scientific knowledge on experience and self-evident truths, and on logical propositions resulting from those two sources. In his writings, Occam stressed the Aristotelian principle that entities must not be multiplied beyond what is necessary. This principle became known as Occam's (or Ockham's) Razor or the law of parsimony. A problem should be stated in its basic and simplest terms. In science, the simplest theory that fits the facts of a problem is the one that should be selected.

 

This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known."

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Edited July 24, 2008 by davidwholt

[Melnicki]

i haven't done too much blue-black mixing, but it seems to be quite difficult from what i've seen so far. it's very easy for it to go too greenish (which is probably why so many BB's are greenish). I think it really depends on how purple the blue is and which black you use, and if you've added water at all. i've gotten close by starting with a purple-black and adding a medium blue to it progressively.

[Pjake]

I'm with Charlie on this one... Will someone with greater sway than I....PLEASE contact ST Dupont and get this ink back on the market???

 

Just stunning!

 

Peter

[davidwholt]

I see CharlieB already thought of this

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/in...st&p=469943

  davidwholt said:

My thoughts when I discovered DuPont blue-black is unavailable

were to mix something like 4 parts of their blue with 1 part of their black.

 

[Gran]

This color looks beautiful. Thanks much for the review. I don't know anything about this company, but found it in a google search: http://www.inkpalette.com/prod.htm#stdu

 

The first site lists a "night blue", along with black, and royal blue.

 

and this one: http://www.theinkflow.com/cgi-bin/commerce...p;key=DPX040150

 

The second one lists black, blue, and violet.

Edited March 16, 2009 by Gran

[Bo Bo Olson]

Occam's (or Ockham's) Razor ...the barber was a boy or a woman.

After running across that question of whom shaved who, for 40 years, that answer came to me when I grew a beard.

 

That is one real nice Blue-black. :notworthy1:

Edited October 12, 2011 by Bo Bo Olson