Help Identifying Meisterstuck

[PenZombies]

Hey All,

 

Was given this pen recently and I was hoping some of the folks who frequent this forum would be able to help identify/date this pen. I do not know much about MontBlancs and for all I know this guy could be one of the many fakes floating around out there. Pen is 5 1/4 inches capped and just under 6 inches posted and has a Montblanc piston filler converter I took some pics of the pen which are posted below. Any help would be awesome!

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

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[chunya]

Hi,

 

Take a look at this earlier post

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/265239-is-this-144-feed-genuine/

[Maxpens]

Early ( first design ) of a 144, Ebonite feed, monotone nib, should be from the middle to late 80´s. The box is not matching to this period, it is a 60´s box ( but nicer then the boxes of the 80´s )

 

kind regards

 

Max

[PenZombies]

Early ( first design ) of a 144, Ebonite feed, monotone nib, should be from the middle to late 80´s. The box is not matching to this period, it is a 60´s box ( but nicer then the boxes of the 80´s )

 

kind regards

 

Max

Thanks so much for the help guys! Quick question though, if it's from the 80's shouldn't it have a "W. Germany" stamp? Also i read that all the Meisterstuck stamps have a very subtle umlaut over the "U" i can't see one here in the close up pic of the stamp. Is that cause for concern?

 

Best

 

Rory

[Mister Mont Blanc]

The Germany or W.-Germany may or may not be right but the lack of umlaut worries me and I personally have never seen a Montblanc feed like that one. This is a widely faked model and so I can't say it's authentic, nor can I say it is counterfeit for sure.

[HermetiC]

Early ( first design ) of a 144, Ebonite feed, monotone nib, should be from the middle to late 80´s. The box is not matching to this period, it is a 60´s box ( but nicer then the boxes of the 80´s )

 

kind regards

 

Max

 

I would say is the early version (1980's) of the second design of the 144, resin body, push-on cap, with cartridge/converter filler and ebonite feed. There is a previous version of 144, with telescopic piston, threaded cap and celluloid body (stripped window) from the 1950's

 

http://fotos.subefotos.com/be6521f5dc24b910680729584f09f862o.jpg

 

Left: 1950's 144; right: 1980's 144.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Don't know about MB, Pelikan went from Germany in the early '50's-60's? in the to W.German of the early Sovereigns that to Germany after '90. After '90 there was only Germany and one had to have W.Germany on things because of the crud made in East Germany.

 

I have no Germany at all on my two '50's pens, 234 1/2 Deluxe KOB (52-54/with a '55 feed) and rolled gold 742 ('51-55)....nor on what I think is a '70-80's monotone nibbed 146 nor on my modern Woolf.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Bo Bo Olson

[Chrissy]

 

I would say is the early version (1980's) of the second design of the 144, resin body, push-on cap, with cartridge/converter filler and ebonite feed. There is a previous version of 144, with telescopic piston, threaded cap and celluloid body (stripped window) from the 1950's

 

http://fotos.subefotos.com/be6521f5dc24b910680729584f09f862o.jpg

 

Left: 1950's 144; right: 1980's 144.

The pen on the right is surely a 146 not a 144? If it isn't it has a threaded cap, is much thicker and doesn't have the correct band configuration for a 144

Edited November 13, 2014 by Chrissy

[HermetiC]

The pen on the right is surely a 146 not a 144? If it isn't it has a threaded cap, is much thicker and doesn't have the correct band configuration for a 144

Of course it is a modern 144. No other Meisterstück have a push on cap and a ring at the end of the section. Size is also very different from a 146.

 

In this picture you will be able to see it and the differences with other 14X Meisterstücks:

 

http://fotos.subefotos.com/3917155b7c63cb25246ceed83c44e53fo.jpg

[JLS1]

Of course it is a modern 144. No other Meisterstück have a push on cap and a ring at the end of the section. Size is also very different from a 146.

 

In this picture you will be able to see it and the differences with other 14X Meisterstücks:

 

http://fotos.subefotos.com/3917155b7c63cb25246ceed83c44e53fo.jpg

Thanks for sharing that picture! It gives a great overview of the length on the various 14x pens over the years.

[Chrissy]

Although I said the pen on the right, I meant the pen on the left of the photo as I could see it. That pen doesn't have a push on cap and a gold band next to the nib. So doesn't look like a 144

[HermetiC]

Although I said the pen on the right, I meant the pen on the left of the photo as I could see it. That pen doesn't have a push on cap and a gold band next to the nib. So doesn't look like a 144

 

The one on the left is a 144 from the 1950's. As I explained in this topic, the 1950's 144 is totally different from the modern 144 and not only in size: cellulloid instead of resin; piston filler instead of cartridge/converter; screw cap instead of push on cap; flexible nib instead of stiff nib....

[cooljatt18]

Of course it is a modern 144. No other Meisterstück have a push on cap and a ring at the end of the section. Size is also very different from a 146.

 

In this picture you will be able to see it and the differences with other 14X Meisterstücks:

 

http://fotos.subefotos.com/3917155b7c63cb25246ceed83c44e53fo.jpg

 

why does the 146P seem little larger than 146?? and why is 147R smaller than 146P?

[Michael R.]

The original 1970's to 1990's design of the 146 was of shorter length compared to the later to know 146 pens which became longer.

 

This change was performed after the cartridge filled 147 was introduced, so the 146 showed the same length. The longer length on the 147 was necessary so it could hold two cartridges.

 

So it has nothing to do with the trim or color but with the model year only.

 

Cheers

 

Michael