Wicked Rouges - Can You Tell The Difference?

[amberleadavis]

Thanks to Cyber6 -- we have three very difficult to acquire red inks.

 

The inks are Djinn of the Eternal Flame, Devil Red and True Rouge.

 

Now, I don't know what order they are in .. only Cyber6 knows.

 

Can you tell the difference?

[Mickey]

Thanks to Cyber6 -- we have three very difficult to acquire red inks.

 

The inks are Djinn of the Eternal Flame, Devil Red and True Rouge.

 

Now, I don't know what order they are in .. only Cyber6 knows.

 

Can you tell the difference?

 

1 is slightly cooler than 2. Number 3 is impossible to judge. Either the color balance is off on the scan or the paper is slightly cooler than for 1 and 2.

[amberleadavis]

Mickey, it's three different inks. Same paper.

[Mickey]

Mickey, it's three different inks. Same paper.

 

I understood, but the paper looks pale blue on my monitor and the paper under samples 1&2 is greenish (too much yellow) compared to sample 1&2, ergo the color balance on the scans don't match. Mentally subtracting a little blue from sample 3's scan, I'd guess it is fairly close to sample 2, but possibly a bit less saturated. Like I said, difficult to tell from these scans.

[amberleadavis]

So, any guess which ink is which?

 

Or do we need Cyber6 to post more pictures?

[Mickey]

Rouge

Devil

Jinn

 

based on the (likely faulty) assumptions that the Rouge is the pure red, Devil is supposed to be warmer than red, and Jinn was chosen because its maker couldn't think of a better name.

[amberleadavis]

I know this one is Djinn

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Doodles/slides/00-2012-02-29-02-49-48.jpg

[Cyber6]

 

I understood, but the paper looks pale blue on my monitor and the paper under samples 1&2 is greenish (too much yellow) compared to sample 1&2, ergo the color balance on the scans don't match. Mentally subtracting a little blue from sample 3's scan, I'd guess it is fairly close to sample 2, but possibly a bit less saturated. Like I said, difficult to tell from these scans.

 

This is not a montage, is only one pic and the paper is the same (Tomoe River - off white). The third swab was in another page, so I took it out (rip the page) and folded the piece and put it under the second swab to have them all together.

 

Same lighting, same location, same time, same camera..... you get the pic (no pun intended)

 

 

I'll try to post a pic of the bottles under natural light... give me a few minutes...

[Mickey]

 

This is not a montage, is only one pic and the paper is the same (Tomoe River - off white). The third swab was in another page, so I took it out (rip the page) and folded the piece and put it under the second swab to have them all together.

 

Same lighting, same location, same time, same camera..... you get the pic (no pun intended)

 

 

None the less, the paper does not look like Tomoe River on my monitor (I have some on hand for reference.) nor do the two sheets appear identical. Compared to the white background on the FPN board, the samples are distinctly blue tinted, the upper page appearing slightly yellow. (The tint is also more marked on the right side, as is the difference between the two sheets. Flipping and rotating the image in various wasy didn't eliminate the difference) Is it possible the samples were written on different sides of the sheets? With some papers, the difference in reflection of the two sides is enough to produce color artifacts, especially if you have two light source with difference color temperatures hitting the sample from different angles.

 

Adjusting color temperature substantially, and saturation (just slightly) until the background was close to my reference sheet of Tomoe River, reduced the differences a bit. Based on the adjusted image:

 

The middle sample is the warmest, perhaps slightly orange. The top image is cooler; the Tomoe River's slightly warm tone may make this sample the closest to a true red, but on a more neutral stock, I suspect it is slightly bluish. The third image is similar to the top image, but slightly less saturated and possibly slightly greyed. As for which is which, I'm not changing my guess. Ink names are pretty arbitrary, after all, so I think I'll call the top ink Bob, and the other two Bert and Ernie.

[Cyber6]

Pic on indoor lighting..

 

 

Natural light... I can actually see microns of difference under natural light..

 

 

 

Here they are...

[Cyber6]

 

None the less, the paper does not look like Tomoe River on my monitor (I have some on hand for reference.) nor do the two sheets appear identical. Compared to the white background on the FPN board, the samples are distinctly blue tinted, the upper page appearing slightly yellow. (The tint is also more marked on the right side, as is the difference between the two sheets. Flipping and rotating the image in various wasy didn't eliminate the difference) Is it possible the samples were written on different sides of the sheets? With some papers, the difference in reflection of the two sides is enough to produce color artifacts, especially if you have two light source with difference color temperatures hitting the sample from different angles.

 

Adjusting color temperature substantially, and saturation (just slightly) until the background was close to my reference sheet of Tomoe River, reduced the differences a bit. Based on the adjusted image:

 

The middle sample is the warmest, perhaps slightly orange. The top image is cooler; the Tomoe River's slightly warm tone may make this sample the closest to a true red, but on a more neutral stock, I suspect it is slightly bluish. The third image is similar to the top image, but slightly less saturated and possibly slightly greyed.

 

To summarize.. lets say, no way in hell you could tell them apart if they were not side by side.......

 

 

 

 

As for which is which, I'm not changing my guess. Ink names are pretty arbitrary, after all, so I think I'll call the top ink Bob, and the other two Bert and Ernie.

 

Fair enough... Ah, BTW.. Bob and Bert are not in the correct order....

 

 

 

 

 

[Mickey]

 

Fair enough... Ah, BTW.. Bob and Bert are not in the correct order....

 

 

 

Shucks! I thought I had 'em nailed.

[amberleadavis]

And you were the only play

er.

[inkstainedruth]

I didn't play because I'd never *heard* of the three inks before -- let alone know what any of them was supposed to look like....

I gather that "True Rouge" was a Swisher exclusive, having seen the label. But the others? Not a clue.... Ah, did a quick Google search, and see that "Devil Red" was *also* apparently a Swisher exclusive.... Found an old review online from the Harmless-Dillettante's blog. Boy does that look like the red ink of my dreams -- except possibly for the dry times (I wouldn't have called 60 seconds "good"...).

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[amberleadavis]

I bought Djinn of the Eternal Flame from Swisher.

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Inked_Today/slides/20140521_180640.jpg

[measond]

On the swabs:

 

Devil

True

Djinn

 

As for the paper, even if it's the same, angle to light can make a difference.

 

Or am I too late for this?

[amberleadavis]

The kicker about this whole thread....

 

I've read posts about all three inks and I thought they were the SAME ink but that for whatever the reason we were calling them by different names. Seriously, those names have a strong similarity.... Djinn of the Eternal Flame and Devil Red ... Seriously must be the same. Then Swisher True Red should be different right? When we started comparing "labels" - we discovered three bottles with three names. So surely they must be really different?

 

Cyber has graciously sent me a sample of her two inks.

 

I'll ink up pens with the three colors. Let's see how different they are.

[Cyber6]

"True Rouge" is definitely as misnomer....

 

 

 

[Cyber6]

BTW.. they do "feel" different. They even spread different with the q-tip..

[flyingfox]

Interesting, on the very first swab, 1 and 3 looks identical. Now, on the paper plate swab, 1 and 2 look more similar...

 

Here's my guess...

1 Djinn

2 True Rouge

3 Devil

 

LOVE the labels!!!!!