Parker Vacumatic Maxima?

[lazard]

Thanks for upload the big scheme timeline.

 

About Long Major: Wait and see. First we must wait to see if someone shows that Parker has ever manufactured some Long Major and what years. I want see catalogs and ads of Parker Long Majors.

 

Does anyone have any Parker-Parker reference to Long Major famous model?

[lazard]

  On 12/22/2013 at 5:21 PM, usk15 said:

Thank you Lazard (Ramon).

 

 

But I'm still confuse 'bout my Vacumatic; like i said is 136mm long capped, blue diamond clip and has a 5 with 3 dots. it has a plastic filler from 3rd generation. I believe Is not a Maxima, or Slender Maxima, because of double striped jewel. it could be a Long Major ?

 

Not all Maxima are double jewels. Look at this: The middle tray are "third generation" http://s28.postimg.org/sn8c4amr1/COMPROBAR_POSIBLE_M_XIMA.jpg

 

The first X on the left (adjacent two Maxima´s single jewel), and the two that I upload this morning (center of photo) are the same as yours. 135/136 mm. Single jewel. "||" two verticals. Blue Diamond and plastic push filler... but before we calling them Long Major I want to see when Parker's spoke or ad Long Major and when, at what time to add it to my scheme timeline.

 

Does anyone have any Parker-Parker reference to Long Major famous model?

Edited December 22, 2013 by Lazard 2.0

[Vintagepens]

"Long Major" is not an original Parker term.

It is a term used by pen collectors, in recent years, to differentiate between the most common Majors of the mid- to late 1940s and the less common longer Majors of the end of the '30s and beginning of the '40s.

 

Note that in the photo above of a tray of Vacumatics with three in the center labeled as Slender Maximas, all three are in fact Majors -- what we call Long Majors, since they are markedly longer than the later Majors. Slender Maximas are uncommon pens, and have very large nibs and much wider cap bands than a Major.

[lazard]

Please note that all of your evidence is that Long Major not exist... and could not exist.

 

El term "Long Major" make another model, the Major, small, dismissively, and it is unthinkable in Parker Advertising Departament. Instead the Slender Maxima rises to the Maxima without damaging other models.

 

Parker never use Long Major. If you've chosen it is a bad choice with Long Major to distinguish versions.

 

This model, long as Maxima and thin as Major is that; Slender Maxima and if you want Slender Maxima II for distinguish versions.

 

If Kenneth Parker could lifted his head! I will continue speaking of Slender Maxima, sensible and last known reference, to be quiet if this happens.

 

 

 

Footnote. The term "Parker Long Major" is inappropriate and misguided, if a million collectors talk about Parker Long Majors, a million collectors speak improperly and unwisely.

Edited December 22, 2013 by Lazard 2.0

[kirchh]

  On 12/22/2013 at 8:54 AM, Lazard 2.0 said:

 

Hello Kirchh:

 

Respectfully, Do you have any advertisements, catalogs, or other materials that show that Parker was still offering a Long Major model in 1942 (or 1941)? And prior?

 

I think your confusion is due to a simple misunderstanding. The term "Long Major" is a collector term, not a Parker term. It refers to the Major model from a certain time period, which was longer than the Major from the previous or following period, that's all.

 

I don't think there is any question that Parker had a Major model in its line in 1942; we can agree on that, can't we?

 

Now, back to my questions:

 

What, in your view, is the difference between the pen you believe is a 1942 Slender Maxima and the 1942 Major?

 

Do you have any advertisements, catalogs, or other materials that show that Parker was still offering a Slender Maxima model in 1942 (or 1941)?

 

--Daniel

[Vintagepens]

There is already a definitive discussion of this issue posted online here, with a followup discussion here.

[FarmBoy]

  On 12/22/2013 at 8:19 PM, Vintagepens said:

There is already a definitive discussion of this issue posted online here, with a followup discussion here.

Care to join us for single malt and toasted pecans?

 

ETA: Take a look at the celluloid discoloration thread I'm watching if you have time.

Edited December 22, 2013 by FarmBoy

[kirchh]

Lazard -

 

I would also ask you for your measurements of the capped length of some specific examples of Vacumatic Majors from the end of 1938 through the beginning of 1943. I know you have this measurement shown in your timeline document, but I would like measurements from specific examples, with the date codes.

 

Thank you.

--Daniel

[lazard]

Goodbye. Until next Christmas.

[kirchh]

  On 12/22/2013 at 8:33 PM, Lazard 2.0 said:

Goodbye. Until next Christmas.

 

Can you clarify? Are you leaving this forum for a year? Or just for a few days?

 

--Daniel

[FarmBoy]

  On 12/22/2013 at 8:47 PM, kirchh said:

Can you clarify? Are you leaving this forum for a year? Or just for a few days?

 

--Daniel

Version 3.0 will be released in a few days...

[kirchh]

  On 12/22/2013 at 9:42 PM, FarmBoy said:

Version 3.0 will be released in a few days...

 

I was still trying to patch 1.0...

 

--Daniel

[sherbie]

folks, as i mentioned two weeks ago, the confusion arises because there was another short lived maxima in the 3rd gen pens - the senior maxima

 

please see below, shamlessly " borrowed" from Davids sold pen archive

 

is it here that the confusion lies?

 

cheers, paul

 

Pen 3502 R: Parker Vacumatic Senior Maxima 1942 $595

Emerald Pearl Celluloid. 3rd Generation (yes, it really is a Senior Maxima)

 

Overall Grade: Excellent

Metal: Excellent Color: Excellent

Nib condition: Excellent

Threads: Perfect clarity: Excellent

 

Point:

Imprint: Exc Size: 5 5/16 " 13.6 cm PRICE: $595

COMMENTS: The final style for Senior Maxima. Full 9/16th cap diameter. Senior Maxima in 1942 with start of the third generation of Vacs, became single jewel and adopted the thinner style cap-band of the Major. These actually are well more scarce than 1937-1941 double jewel Maximas; my hypothesis is that with the appearance of the Parker "51", many customers who had been willing to spring $10 for the Maxima, were willing to pop an extra $2.50 to get the brand new "51". This is a superb example with clean trim, clean plastic, and excellent barrel transparency.

[idazle]

Excellent thread, I would rename it as "everything you wanted to know about Vacumatic taxonomy" ;-)

[Florida Blue]

  On 12/23/2013 at 7:37 AM, sherbie said:

folks, as i mentioned two weeks ago, the confusion arises because there was another short lived maxima in the 3rd gen pens - the senior maxima

please see below, shamlessly " borrowed" from Davids sold pen archive

is it here that the confusion lies?

cheers, paul

 

I think that might be part of the confusion. It was good that you posted that. If you look further on his site in the sold section you will also see several pens listed as "Long Majors."

 

This explanation from him is pretty succinct:

"There is no such model as a Long Major, but the "long" descriptor is added to differentiate late 1938-1942 pens from earlier and later Majors which feature shorter stock. This pen often is wrongly labelled "Slender Maxima", which is a subtly different pen."

 

As had been said several times, the term "Long Major" is not an official Parker term, but a designation created by the pen collecting community.

 

This picture from the article posted by David Nishimura (written by the aforementioned David) is probably the best visual representation of the differences between a Slender Maxima, Long Major and Major.

 

http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae149/thefancyman/comparesinglejewelweb_zps60703dd6.jpg

 

I hope he doesn't mind me posting it.

[kirchh]

I'm still waiting for Lazard to produce actual examples, with measurements, of Majors from the end of 1938 through the beginning of 1943. Better still, a picture showing a Major and a purported Slender Maxima from the same year side-by-side would be very enlightening. 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942...

 

This should make an interesting set of photos.

 

--Daniel

[sumgaikid]

My contribution to this interesting talk is that sizes weren't exact

when these pens were made,and as such,weren't important to

Parker and its customers. So if the measurements for one pen over

another vary by 1/8" or 1/16",it didn't matter--Parker stuck with

their own classification.

 

 

 

John

[georges zaslavsky]

interesting thread thanks for sharing

[usk15]

I've got the pen back restored, it's a smooth, wet writer, it's left oblique fine nib, filled with Diamine Chocolate Brown.

 

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/690/wl0z.jpg

 

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[FarmBoy]

  On 12/31/2013 at 1:23 PM, sumgaikid said:

My contribution to this interesting talk is that sizes weren't exact

when these pens were made,and as such,weren't important to

Parker and its customers. So if the measurements for one pen over

another vary by 1/8" or 1/16",it didn't matter--Parker stuck with

their own classification.

 

 

 

John

Automated manufacturing is surprisingly accurate, even when done in the 1930s and 40s.