A Few Blues On Cheap Copy Paper

[pelman]

Hello All,

I have enjoyed my last two + years on FPN and have felt a little guilty that I have not been able to contribute much to the community. I have a fondness for blues and the misfortune of using cheap copy paper at work. From this misfortune and frustration the following writing samples were borne.

 

ETA: The photographs are quite accurate and representative of my hard copy.

 

I welcome your questions and comments.

 

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n549/pelmanyaar/EB057C34-DA4B-4D45-8B92-0D0EEA24D20F-5838-000007CC526E653D.jpg

 

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n549/pelmanyaar/B69011DF-6D37-407E-8C21-4ACFE51543DE-5838-000007CC71B391F8.jpg

 

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n549/pelmanyaar/F05BC0DA-151F-458F-88CF-6C516AEA5427-5838-000007CC817BFA9C.jpg

 

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n549/pelmanyaar/ED87996C-51DE-4213-94A5-02991A80A99D-5838-000007CC98A5234A.jpg

 

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n549/pelmanyaar/655BE9B5-6523-496C-A363-E21ECEB3D322-5838-000007CCA7CF417B.jpg

 

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n549/pelmanyaar/C3753194-C645-4116-A851-F92DC22E807F-5838-000007CCB9D3514F.jpg

 

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Pens Used:

Platinum Izumo B nib

Pilot 845 M nib

St Dupont M nib

Osmia F nib

Lamy 2000 F nib

Pelikan 400 NN F nib

Montblanc 22 B nib

Fermo M nib (not pictured)

Edited August 6, 2013 by pelman

[carlos.q]

From the pictures it's hard to say if there is feathering or showthrough with these inks. Which one behaves the best on cheap copy paper?

[cybaea]

Thank you for this one! I can see on the pen picture that you had some bleedthrough - which ones were the good, the bad, and the ugly in that department?

[lightless]

Hey, thanks. Some good things are borne of frustration - I guess that's what they call making lemonade from lemons. We don't always have the accommodation of using our papers - if anything, you should advertise these as being "real world examples"!

 

The Lamy Blue looks surprisingly bright.

 

Also, ROFL @ "Guess" there's no mistaking that, is there?

Edited August 18, 2013 by lightless

[fncll]

I echo the question about feathering and bleeding/show-through...also, what specific paper is this?

[pelman]

From the pictures it's hard to say if there is feathering or showthrough with these inks. Which one behaves the best on cheap copy paper?

 

Thank you carlos. It is showthrough. There is very slight feathering with the Noodlers Bay State Blue (this was the "Guess" ink) and Bril Royal Blue (an ink from India). The best behaving to my eyes are the two Private Reserve inks, the Sailor Jentle Blue, and the Blue Bonnet from Noodlers.

[pelman]

Thank you for this one! I can see on the pen picture that you had some bleedthrough - which ones were the good, the bad, and the ugly in that department?

 

Thank you cybaea.

 

The Good - the two PR inks (American Blue and DC super show blue).

 

The Ugly - Texas Blue Bonnet because it a chalky ink. I liked it initially and to me it has lost a little bit of the blue pop from when I had first purchased it.

 

The Bad - maybe texas BB again but not for the properties but the zing it has lost.

[pelman]

Hey, thanks. Some good things are borne of frustration - I guess that's what they call making lemonade from lemons. We don't always have the accommodation of using our papers - if anything, you should advertise these as being "real world examples"!

 

The Lamy Blue looks surprisingly bright.

 

Also, ROFL @ "Guess" there's no mistaking that, is there?

Yup no mistaking BSB. Lamy blue is surprisingly bright. I have taken a photo today so roughly 2 weeks after initial writing sample - it has lost a bit of the brightness.

The first pic from two weeks ago and the second from today.

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n549/pelmanyaar/655BE9B5-6523-496C-A363-E21ECEB3D322-5838-000007CCA7CF417B.jpg

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n549/pelmanyaar/1650742D-DFD7-4079-A356-DC30CC1802FA-17473-000016912AB72725.jpg

[pelman]

I echo the question about feathering and bleeding/show-through...also, what specific paper is this?

Thank you fncll. Please see following pics. Hopefully it helps with some pics. The last pic is of the copy paper.

 

To me the bleed through is least from noodlers Texas blue bonnet, Sailor Jentle Blue and the Lamy. Unsurprisingly the more saturated PR inks show more bleed through.

Top to bottom: Chelpark, PRDCSSB, BSB, Noodlers TBB

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n549/pelmanyaar/4C1DA5F9-09C7-4539-AB3C-3AD5B73995F8-17393-00001688FFF62BC3.jpg

Top to bottom: Sailor JB, Noodlers TBB, Bril, Lamy

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From left to right - lamy, bril, Texas blue bonnet, sailor JB, PR DCSSB, Chelpark washable blue and finally PR American Blue

 

Lastly the copy paper

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n549/pelmanyaar/445D471A-985F-42C1-9191-506B69BC6A43-17393-000016888C1445D3.jpg

Edited August 19, 2013 by pelman

[lightless]

Yup no mistaking BSB. Lamy blue is surprisingly bright. I have taken a photo today so roughly 2 weeks after initial writing sample - it has lost a bit of the brightness.

The first pic from two weeks ago and the second from today.

 

[blue Ink Pictures]

Thanks! Ah, darn. After 2 weeks it looks a little like Pilot Blue to me. Really surprising to see that vividness, though - the swabs I've seen of Lamy Blue paint it as a very pale color.

 

I don't know whether or not to continue accumulating blues. It's my favorite color, but I haven't found one that speaks to me as an ink. I have about ten blues, three blacks, and the rest are just lone colors. Maybe I should delve into teals. By the way, what pen are you using for BSB?

[pelman]

Thanks! Ah, darn. After 2 weeks it looks a little like Pilot Blue to me. Really surprising to see that vividness, though - the swabs I've seen of Lamy Blue paint it as a very pale color.

 

I don't know whether or not to continue accumulating blues. It's my favorite color, but I haven't found one that speaks to me as an ink. I have about ten blues, three blacks, and the rest are just lone colors. Maybe I should delve into teals. By the way, what pen are you using for BSB?

 

After the initial pop, the Lamy Blue is in reality a very pale color. I like the two PR inks and have been quite impressed with the American Blue. I also very much like the Bril Royal Blue ink (an ink from India). Of course for the vivid quality you can't beat BSB. The pen for the BSB sample is a Pilot Fermo with a Medium nib.

 

Of course there are great reviews out there with oodles of information and if you have not looked at some then definitely peruse those reviews. I have stopped going after blue inks. I personally like PR AB ink and the Bril Royal Blue. I am also a big fan of R&K salix and Montblanc Blue-black ink (both are Iron Gall inks). I especially like the Salix as it maintains more of the blue color when it has become permanent.

Edited August 19, 2013 by pelman

[Bo Bo Olson]

Nice review.

Being retired means I don't have cheap copy paper...unless my wife buys.

I get 90g.

So it was good to see...the sort of paper I don't have to deal with.

 

I do have good scribbling paper at home, and copy paper.

 

At home, why buy a good ink, and use cheap paper?

[pelman]

Thanks Bo Bo.

 

I agree if you can get quality paper for work or home, then this is the way to go.

[PrintersDevil]

This was a nicely done comparison and it confirmed something that I observed first hand.

That is, the Private Reserve American Blue and Private Reserve DC Supershow Blue are very very close in color.

I only bought samples of these from Goulet Pens and was disappointed they were so close.

Thanks

Joe

[cellmatrix]

Nice review. FWIW, if your Izumo came with platinum blue black ink you might want to give it a try. It's iron gall based and works quite well on cheap paper.

[pelman]

This was a nicely done comparison and it confirmed something that I observed first hand.

That is, the Private Reserve American Blue and Private Reserve DC Supershow Blue are very very close in color.

I only bought samples of these from Goulet Pens and was disappointed they were so close.

Thanks

Joe

 

Thank you PrintersDevil.

 

I agree that the two PR inks are quite close in color. I actually like American Blue more as it dries a little faster than the DCSSB - an important metric for me with the above cheap paper.

[pelman]

Nice review. FWIW, if your Izumo came with platinum blue black ink you might want to give it a try. It's iron gall based and works quite well on cheap paper.

 

thanks cellmatrix. I wish the Izumo came with Blue black ink. It came with blue ink.

[hari317]

A Nice comparison Pelman, well done! Nice to see that the Bril's darkness is comparable to the other inks...

[pelman]

Thank you Hari. The Bril did retain some of it's intensity for a bit. Now a little more than a month later, the Bril ink has definitely faded but still not as much as the Lamy, Chelpark or Sailor inks.

[TehWildman]

Boise X-9 is actually a nicer copy paper (compared to say, a Hammermill 20lb copy, but nowhere as nice as some nicer papers), and for some reason, is one of the more common copy papers I see.