Carene Nib Stub.

[cocoliso22]

I almost decided to buy one with a nib Waterman Carene stub.

I searched this subforum, and samples of writing that does not seem to find that there is much variation in line with the stubs of the Carene. I wonder if a Stub of Carene italic nib writes like a style to Sheaffer stub, or does not come to such variation of the line.

I've also read that the maximum stroke amplitude does not exceed 0.8 mm., Which I think is enough for a stub, is the broad nib gives a broader Carene stroke?.

Although I have not found it, are there oblique stub nib Carene model?.

Thanks for all the information you can provide me. Greetings to all.

[Antoinem]

I almost decided to buy one with a nib Waterman Carene stub.

I searched this subforum, and samples of writing that does not seem to find that there is much variation in line with the stubs of the Carene. I wonder if a Stub of Carene italic nib writes like a style to Sheaffer stub, or does not come to such variation of the line.

I've also read that the maximum stroke amplitude does not exceed 0.8 mm., Which I think is enough for a stub, is the broad nib gives a broader Carene stroke?.

Although I have not found it, are there oblique stub nib Carene model?.

Thanks for all the information you can provide me. Greetings to all.

 

None that I am aware of. You can get a stub from the factory but you would then need to send it to a nib meister.

[Ghost Plane]

The stubs write between an M and a B. I'm guesstimating around 1.0 as they feel roughly similar to a Sheaffer stub only with slightly sharper/more cursive italic corners. Lovely, fast nibs for note taking. I have multiples. Haven't managed to get my hands on obliques yet. See Pen Seller from France on eBay, who posts on this board as J.M. Lewertowski and sells obliques. He's honest, reputable, and can discuss with you whether an OB nib would provide the properties you are looking for. There are no oblique stubs, hence my suspicion that an OB might be what you're looking for.

 

Talk to Force about nib modifications. I've had bad luck with modified Carene nibs as they seem to be finicky. Of course the modded ones I experienced hadn't been to "the greats" for work.

[cocoliso22]

Thanks for the replies.

Hello Ghost Plane, when I refer to an oblique stub, I mean similar to a stub nib Sheaffer oblique, which is marked with the initials LO, I do not want an OB, I want a left oblique stub, ie the termination of nib is flat, if an italic, the better. Is there something similar to what Waterman Carene comment for?. Thanks for the info. Greetings to all.

[Ghost Plane]

To the best of my knowledge, there isn't. You're either going to have to go with a nibmeister to tailor the factory stub or try another make of pen that offers more nib sizes.

 

I'd still talk to some of the folks who've modified their Carene nibs and see what their experience was.

[cocoliso22]

Ghost Plane thank you very much, it is likely that there are no such left oblique stub Waterman Carene on.

The Carene Stub you have given a maximum width of 1 mm., But produce much variation of line?, Is there much difference between the maximum width and narrower line?.

Finally, a little abusing your kindness, do keels stub nibs are rather wet?, Are mild in his conduct in writing?, How you experience that type of inks are going better?.

Thank you very much for the information, and for your patience and time I spend. An affectionate greeting.

[Sandy1]

Hi,

 

In a few of my Ink Reviews I used the factory stock Carene Stub. Other IRs have examples using the factory stock Sheaffer Prelude Stub. A few have examples from a Parker Sonnet factory stock Stub. Still others show what happens when I try a hand-ground 1.0 stub from richardpens on an M-series Pelikan.

 

The IRs include a NIB-ism scan of the nibs' down-strokes and Stubs' side-strokes, and are scaled so that the width of the line may be determined on a given paper with the ink being reviewed.

 

Here are two IRs showing the Carene Stub:

• https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/192761-pelikan-4001-blue-black/
• https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/205705-ecclesiastical-stationery-supplies-registrars-ink/

Prelude Stub:

• https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/195225-sailor-jentle-epinard/
• https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/198139-omas-sepia

Sonnet Stub:

• https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/178743-monteverde-blue/

richardpens M200-series 1.0:

• https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/164337-diamine-twilight-blue/
• https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/176918-gate-city-everflo-orchid/#entry1775622

Bye,

 

S1

 

 

 

[schadowrider]

I have a Silver Carene that came with a factory stub; it was a very smooth and nice writing nib, but it was a bit too broad for my hand and there wasn't really any line variation (at least with my writing). I sent it to Richard Binder to have reground to a .7 Cursive Italic, but have yet to ink it up -- too many pens inked or in line for rotation! I'll try to get some ink in it this week -- sounds like it might be too fine for you, but I can let you know how it turned out.

Edited January 17, 2012 by schadowrider

[Ernst Bitterman]

I'm using this very pen today, and I think Sandy's pictures illustrate the sort of performance I'm seeing quite nicely. The wide aspect of the lines are just under 1mm, the narrow probably about 0.3mm. Mine is relatively wet, depending on the ink; Herbin Bleu Myosotis is rather damp.

[cocoliso22]

Thanks to everyone for their help and writing samples. These Carene I like a lot, especially Contemporary finish, and I considered purchasing it because I have the opportunity to get one with a nozzle with a stub nib, since the F and M nibs not currently riding my attention.

In a Spanish forum, which also I am a member, some Members who have this stub nib actually tell me that is almost a pure italic nib in the style of the famous Sheaffer nibs marked "S" and "LO", the I am a good fan and they write beautifully and customize a lot of writing.

In samples of published Sandy1 stub did not appreciate so much variation in line like giving my Sheaffer Stub, I do believe they are authentic italic nibs in performance, but may be due to Sandy1 font rather than to the jib .

On the other hand, if the stroke of the stub of the Carene range, says Ernst Bitterman, between 0.3 mm and about 1 mm wide, sure to be to my liking

I use all my pens, especially with Montblanc inks, diamines, J. Herbin, and Private Reserve, and I like to write with enough flow, stub nib pens riding writers tend to be "wet", but as the food is hidden Carene, I know how they will behave at the time of writing.

Well, they say that "learning by doing", so I'll buy the pen and in person prove their characteristics, so I comentais all, it seems that this pen is worth, is that right?. Thanks again and greetings to all.

[cocoliso22]

Surfing the web today I found a couple of pages that offer the Waterman Carene nibs that are oblique broads.

I return to doubt that I could use better jib, if a stub or an OB, anyone who has tried both nib, could you tell me which gives the broad outline and the greatest variation in line as the direction of writing?.

If a fellow could post in this thread a writing sample of both nib, would be for me a great help, I would be very grateful.

Thanks for the information and support. Greetings to all.

[Koyote]

I'm using this very pen today, and I think Sandy's pictures illustrate the sort of performance I'm seeing quite nicely. The wide aspect of the lines are just under 1mm, the narrow probably about 0.3mm. Mine is relatively wet, depending on the ink; Herbin Bleu Myosotis is rather damp.

 

That is my experience with two Carene stubs: pretty significant line variation, to my eye. And they do write nicely.

[Left FPN]

The stub appears to be a desirable form. A S/H unit sold yesterday for £41 on the bay. F & M's sell for half that....sometimes less.