Sailor Jentle Autumn 2010 Inks...

[drifting]

I've seen dye concentration on paper countless of times (and it looks like what can be seen in SamCapote's photo), but it's only in the parts where the ink is very wet, and usually in downstrokes,

 

I guess another case of YMMV, because the bit of your post I've highlighted is exactly what I see in the OP's photo. If you look at the right side of the photo where there is no shimmer apparent, you see how much ink her pens lay down on the downstroke and some initial cross strokes. The left side of the photo has a slightly different perspective and the light has caught those heavily inked downstrokes, showing the shimmer. This is consistent with my experience of the ink, and I'm pretty confident there aren't any actual shimmer particles. But that's part of the magic, isn't it: pen + paper + ink + perception = a whole world of of wonderful variety.

 

Ryan.

[Iranna]

I've seen dye concentration on paper countless of times (and it looks like what can be seen in SamCapote's photo), but it's only in the parts where the ink is very wet, and usually in downstrokes,

 

I guess another case of YMMV, because the bit of your post I've highlighted is exactly what I see in the OP's photo. If you look at the right side of the photo where there is no shimmer apparent, you see how much ink her pens lay down on the downstroke and some initial cross strokes. The left side of the photo has a slightly different perspective and the light has caught those heavily inked downstrokes, showing the shimmer. This is consistent with my experience of the ink, and I'm pretty confident there aren't any actual shimmer particles. But that's part of the magic, isn't it: pen + paper + ink + perception = a whole world of of wonderful variety.

 

Ryan.

 

Yes, I can see where you're coming from. It just doesn't look that wet to me, but it may well be. In this case the "pen + paper + ink + perception = a whole world of of wonderful variety" is really extreme; I wish it was achievable in everyday use, or at least more often! I certainly haven't encountered anything as 'magical' as this, although I do find inks to be perfectly magical on their own, when they behave just as they're expected.

 

Edit: typo.

Edited December 7, 2010 by Iranna

[SamCapote]

I've seen dye concentration on paper countless of times (and it looks like what can be seen in SamCapote's photo), but it's only in the parts where the ink is very wet, and usually in downstrokes,

 

I guess another case of YMMV, because the bit of your post I've highlighted is exactly what I see in the OP's photo. If you look at the right side of the photo where there is no shimmer apparent, you see how much ink her pens lay down on the downstroke and some initial cross strokes. The left side of the photo has a slightly different perspective and the light has caught those heavily inked downstrokes, showing the shimmer. This is consistent with my experience of the ink, and I'm pretty confident there aren't any actual shimmer particles. But that's part of the magic, isn't it: pen + paper + ink + perception = a whole world of of wonderful variety.

 

Ryan.

 

Yes, I can see where you're coming from. It just doesn't look that wet to me, but it may well be. In this case the "pen + paper + ink + perception = a whole world of of wonderful variety" is really extreme; I wish it was achievable in everyday use, or at least more often! I certainly haven't encountered anything as 'magical' as this, although I do find inks to be perfectly magical on their own, when they behave just as they're expected.

 

Edit: typo.

 

OK, I flushed out the Pelikan Turquoise, flushed with water until perfectly clear, then flushed a lot, lot, lot more, let sit overnight with clean water, then flushed again today. I'm sure there is no residual color in the pen. I then filled and refilled 3 times with Yama dori to make sure it was only that ink. Sure enough with a flex pen that I mentioned earlier, the reddish variation shows up in person VERY clearly. I tried to capture it on the scanner, and if you click the thumbnail you can see the red. It is quite remarkable, noticeable, and beautiful. It works best on this better quality tablet paper. The effect is real, although I wouldn't describe it on this paper as "shimmering," rather as having deep violet shading tones. This is something new to me, and I think it requires a pen like this.

 

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/pike444/Inks/Yama-Doris.jpg

[pen2paper]

Thanks for the extra steps to confirm this effect Sam!

[nicholasyeo]

This is most singular indeed!!! Unbelievable red effect... Even on my not too flexible

Pro Gears and Lamy Joy.

[inkspot]

Lovely! Must get some!

[SamCapote]

Another thing to keep in mind is this dramatic red shading only shows on some papers...which is why I didn't see it initially. I've tested a few below.

Shading secondary color effect is seen beautifully on:

 

Clairefontaine Triomphe

Rhodia (Graph & Dot)

(Triplet_Mom used Dot in OP)

G. Lalo Vergé de France

Europa Major Pad (Tollit & Harvey Ltd, UK)

Staples "M" and "EcoFriendly/Sustainable Earth"

 

Not seen on:

 

Hammermill Copy Plus 20#

HP Premium LaserJet 32#

Staples regular tablets.

Ampad Gold Fibre tablets.

Edited December 29, 2010 by SamCapote

[pen2paper]

Another thing to keep in mind is this dramatic red shading only shows on some papers...which is why I didn't see it initially. I've tested a few below.

Shading secondary color effect is seen beautifully on:

 

Clairefontaine Triomphe

Rhodia (Graph & Dot)

(Triplet_Mom used Dot in OP)

Europa Major Pad (Tollit & Harvey Ltd, UK)

Staples "M" and "EcoFriendly/Sustainable Earth"

 

Not seen on:

 

Hammermill Copy Plus 20#

HP Premium LaserJet 32#

Staples regular tablets.

interesting.. must "pool" pn the top list.. absorb, or merge with A part of the ink, on lower part of the list..?

sorry can't pull good descriptives before 1st cup of coffee..

considering no-bleed through eco-f is on top list..

maybe I have that backwards..

interesting observation SC

[SamCapote]

Another thing to keep in mind is this dramatic red shading only shows on some papers...which is why I didn't see it initially. I've tested a few below.

Shading secondary color effect is seen beautifully on:

 

Clairefontaine Triomphe

Rhodia (Graph & Dot)

(Triplet_Mom used Dot in OP)

G. Lalo Vergé de France

Europa Major Pad (Tollit & Harvey Ltd, UK)

Staples "M" and "EcoFriendly/Sustainable Earth"

 

Not seen on:

 

Hammermill Copy Plus 20#

HP Premium LaserJet 32#

Staples regular tablets.

Ampad Gold Fibre tablets.

interesting.. must "pool" pn the top list.. absorb, or merge with A part of the ink, on lower part of the list..?

sorry can't pull good descriptives before 1st cup of coffee..

considering no-bleed through eco-f is on top list..

maybe I have that backwards..

interesting observation SC

 

It is interesting....especially that it doesn't work with HP Premium Laserjet 32#. It also does not work with my smooth writing Ampad Gold Fibre pads. I think it is either an ink pooling effect (vs. absorbed), or a chemical interaction with some paper. I added a couple more.

Edited December 29, 2010 by SamCapote

[lapis]

Sam, you did it again. I'll vote for you as best poster in 2010 (I only have another 2 days to go). Stunning. I use mostly HP paper. So, that's the reason why I might be missing a lot of shading effects (in general). I love the heck out of inks, I need pens, but me buying more and more papers, I'm not sure.

 

My Problem

[SamCapote]

Wow thanks!...but we really owe Triplet Mom who showed in the first place. I knew papers can do a lot of things with inks and various pens but didn't know they can change colors and bring out two colors in an ink.

[captainkeytar]

I can confirm this. I have been playing with Oku-Yama on several papers with (cheap, very wet) calligraphy pens with flex nibs, and the Staples Eco paper had quite a pronounced shimmer effect when held under a light. Not so much though when I used it in my Pilot M90 (M nib), though that's quite a wet writer. I'm awaiting delivery of two bottles of Yama-Dori... I'm excited to see what happens with that.

 

I'm contemplating buying a proper flex-nibbed fountain pen, just so I can have this effect at work. Any suggestions for what pen/nib to get? The calligraphy pens require dipping, and that's not practical in meetings.

 

Also, are there any other inks out there with special qualities like this?

 

Edit:

The effect barely showed on my Moleskine paper, showed a little bit on Rhodia 80g, and a little bit more on Clairefontaine paper, though I can't find the paper's particulars.... My Borden & Riley 108lb heavy stock had a light shimmer, but the Staples Eco takes the cake by far.

Edited January 17, 2011 by captainkeytar

[SamCapote]

I can confirm this. I have been playing with Oku-Yama on several papers with (cheap, very wet) calligraphy pens with flex nibs, and the Staples Eco paper had quite a pronounced shimmer effect when held under a light. Not so much though when I used it in my Pilot M90 (M nib), though that's quite a wet writer. I'm awaiting delivery of two bottles of Yama-Dori... I'm excited to see what happens with that.

 

I'm contemplating buying a proper flex-nibbed fountain pen, just so I can have this effect at work. Any suggestions for what pen/nib to get? The calligraphy pens require dipping, and that's not practical in meetings.

 

Also, are there any other inks out there with special qualities like this?

 

Edit:

The effect barely showed on my Moleskine paper, showed a little bit on Rhodia 80g, and a little bit more on Clairefontaine paper, though I can't find the paper's particulars.... My Borden & Riley 108lb heavy stock had a light shimmer, but the Staples Eco takes the cake by far.

 

Yeah, isn't that the funniest thing? What looks like really cheap, thin, crappy Staples paper gives such a striking effect, also has very surprising absense of bleed through for it being a noticeably thinner paper. I have to pick up a printer cartridge, and I'm gonna load up on this Eco paper in case they change or dump it as a product.

 

Regarding Flex pens....my best advice after having bought three from him is talk to Mauricio who runs the VintagePen.net site. Really wonderful person (also a member here), and is organizing the pen show in Arkansas. He can start you with a stiffer flex nib, but once you "taste" a wet noodle with good flow, resistance is futile.

Edited January 17, 2011 by SamCapote

[MicheleB]

These three colors from the new Autumn 2010 limited edition ink collection have a gorgeous, subtle shimmer that make your words seem like they are gently glowing from the page. That on top of the exceptional shading each one has and how well this ink flows from every pen I put it in, has made me love these inks even more than my beloved Iroshizuku inks.

 

Kin-Mokusei has a bright orange shimmer

Oku-yama has a light green shimmer

Yama-dori has a red shimmer

 

 

 

 

TRIPLET MOM IS PURE EVIL!

I could not get this post out of head and the only way I could was to order all 3 reviewed AND fall over the cliff and get one more - the Chu Shu. Isellpens was the source. We just had an ink sample table at our Seattle Pen Club. Do you think that gave me enough inks to play with for a while? OF COURSE IT DID! If this woman wants to sell me swamp land in FL, I'll probably buy it! I am so ashamed. :embarrassed_smile: NOT!

[Surnia]

Probably some form of thin film physics... I have it happen on Oku Yama, Rhodia dot pads. Interestingly enough, it shows up on certain levels of excess ink, too much and it just goes a flat dark colour while just enough yields a perfect shimmer.

 

Thin film stuff is what makes bubbles give off that rainbow colour effect when you look at them, due to the light reflecting back from both surfaces (outer and inner).

[SamCapote]

Probably some form of thin film physics... I have it happen on Oku Yama, Rhodia dot pads. Interestingly enough, it shows up on certain levels of excess ink, too much and it just goes a flat dark colour while just enough yields a perfect shimmer.

 

Thin film stuff is what makes bubbles give off that rainbow colour effect when you look at them, due to the light reflecting back from both surfaces (outer and inner).

 

Interesting. It also happens with Parker Penman Sapphire--where you can even see a distinctive red sheen on the pen feed.

[MicheleB]

Probably some form of thin film physics... I have it happen on Oku Yama, Rhodia dot pads. Interestingly enough, it shows up on certain levels of excess ink, too much and it just goes a flat dark colour while just enough yields a perfect shimmer.

 

Thin film stuff is what makes bubbles give off that rainbow colour effect when you look at them, due to the light reflecting back from both surfaces (outer and inner).

 

Interesting. It also happens with Parker Penman Sapphire--where you can even see a distinctive red sheen on the pen feed.

 

I get a red sheen with Diamine Majestic Blue and Clairfontaine in a Wahl Lapis wet writer - gorgeous combo!

[nicholasyeo]

Has anyone tried Sailor Jentle Blue? It too, gives the same pinkish reflective properties.

[saskia_madding]

The Sailor Souten gives a darker blue sheen that is pretty neat. I'm noticing that all the Sailor inks I have leave this extra sheen of a some other colour in places where the ink pools.