Help I.d. A Waterman

[drjmb]

Second time I've done this. Another Waterman that I can't ID on the 'net. Maybe European market? Great writer with a gold nib but still feels like a lesser version. Best pics I can muster:

[Xof72000]

Waterman Facettes.

French production.

[Otter1]

Yeah, I grabbed one like that from ebay a year or so ago on a lark.

I was underwhelmed honestly.

The size reminds me of a Sheaffer Targa, but I think the fit and finish on the Targas is much better.

 

My 2 cents.

 

-Otter1

[konis]

I think it is a Waterman Torsade. No is a Facette.

Waterman Torsade.

Waterman Facette.

Look at the clip. Is different.

regards

Edited January 3, 2017 by konis

[Xof72000]

konis : on a "Torsade", the lines are twisted ... on a "Facette", the lines are straight.

[drjmb]

Per konis's photo message my clip, is curved as in the Torsade, but the lines are straight like a Facette. Looks like the section, nib, etc. are the same in both. Need more input, guys, let's nail this down. Thanks in advance.

[konis]

konis : on a "Torsade", the lines are twisted ... on a "Facette", the lines are straight.

Really ?

And look here :

My Waterman Facette with "twisted lines"

And Waterman Torsade with "straight lines"

 

 

Both models were produced in straight and twisted lines. Only clip was different.

regards

[Xof72000]

Konis : "Torsades" means "twisted" in french ... "Facettes" means "facet" (sides).

The names of the pen come from their pattern.

 

Now believe what you want, but the pen showed by drjmb is a "Facettes" model.

Edited January 4, 2017 by Xof72000

[konis]

Possible, possible, but :

 

https://www.penworkshop.co.uk/watermen-torsade-triple-set-1967.html

 

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/282145772671?rmvSB=true

 

https://auktion.catawiki.de/kavels/5511245-waterman-torsade-gold-fountain-pen-18-ct-nib-france

 

http://www.todocoleccion.net/estilograficas-antiguas/waterman-facette-plaque-oro~x47293125

 

All these people are wrong ?

 

regards

[Xof72000]

Possible, possible, but :

 

https://www.penworkshop.co.uk/watermen-torsade-triple-set-1967.html

 

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/282145772671?rmvSB=true

 

https://auktion.catawiki.de/kavels/5511245-waterman-torsade-gold-fountain-pen-18-ct-nib-france

 

http://www.todocoleccion.net/estilograficas-antiguas/waterman-facette-plaque-oro~x47293125

 

All these people are wrong ?

 

regards

 

As far as I can see :

link 1 : Pens are mentionned as "Torsades" ... and are "Torsades" (the lines on the pens are twisted)

link 2 : The pictures have been remooved and are no longer accesible for zooming, but the pencil seems to be a "Torsades" (as mentionned) as the FP seems to be a "Facettes" (straight lines)

link 3 : The text is wrong : the pen is a "Facettes", not a "Torsades"

link 4 : The pen is a "Facettes", as mentionned in the text.

[Xof72000]

Per konis's photo message my clip, is curved as in the Torsade, but the lines are straight like a Facette. Looks like the section, nib, etc. are the same in both. Need more input, guys, let's nail this down. Thanks in advance.

 

Both models existed with different clips.

The clips are not important for the identification : the shape of the lines are.

 

 

For example (pictures taken from the internet) :

 

 

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Q24AAOSwFMZWrmzt/s-l1600.jpg

 

 

Both are "Torsades" (twisted lines) but the clips are different.

Edited January 5, 2017 by Xof72000

[FarmBoy]

http://penshotsandthoughts.blogspot.com/2014/06/watermans-pens-from-seventies.html