Fake Montblanc Heritage 1912 Fountain Pen - Buyer Beware!

[REDEYEDROP]

 

Hi all,

 

Please note that apparently there are new fake retractable 1912 fountain pens for sale in China (see attached comparison pictures that were found on the web).

 

Online buyers beware!

[piscov]

These fakes are getting very good.

Are there side by side pictures with a fake and a original one?

How are the nibs? Most times a magnet will show the nib is not made of gold.

Edited October 31, 2016 by piscov

[REDEYEDROP]

Yes. These are side by side. The longer pen is supposed to be the fake one.

 

I don't have any additional information other than the pictures :/ (I'm an IP Attorney and received the pictures from a colegue after he saw my Bohéme).

 

I guess online buyers will have to make sure of the pen measurements before purchasing (it's better than nothing).

Edited October 31, 2016 by REDEYEDROP

[HermetiC]

Any picture of the fake nib?

The fake pen is also a piston filler?

Edited October 31, 2016 by HermetiC

[Chrissy]

I searched for images, to see if there were any showing the nib, but none come up. Even though one site shows them as replicas, when you click to 'visit page', there aren't any.

[REDEYEDROP]

Any picture of the fake nib?

The fake pen is also a piston filler?

As I mentioned before, I have no information other than the above pictures.

 

My guess is that it has a cheap converter or cartridge as most Chinese pens and that it uses a current version of the already selling nibs that most of the time are little (and make it easy to spot fake pens) and that in this case may be appropriate in size.

Otherwise, as you are well aware, it will make the pen cost more.

That said... The manufacturer did invest in the retractable mechanism, so I would not rule out the possibility of a piston filler tough it is highly unlikely.

 

P.s.

Now that I think about it, if there are retractable mechanism fake / replica pens in the market then buyers should probably take in account that there may also be fake/replica Bohémes

Edited October 31, 2016 by REDEYEDROP

[Erik Dalton]

Boy, this stuff just doesn't stop. I rarely buy from Asia now for fear of Chinese fakes. Why can't these skilled counterfeiters put their minds to work creating their own products.

[Tom Kellie]

~ Over here, prudence compels one to purchase Montblanc goods strictly and only from genuine Montblanc boutiques.

The ersatz, the sham, the bogus, the phony and the out and out fraudulent are flagrantly hawked on streetcorners and in small shops.

Caveat emptor...

Tom K.

[REDEYEDROP]

Nice one Tom

 

So I found out on which website the photos are posted.

 

Please find attached the nib picture.

[jar]

As I mentioned before, I have no information other than the above pictures.

 

My guess is that it has a cheap converter or cartridge as most Chinese pens and that it uses a current version of the already selling nibs that most of the time are little (and make it easy to spot fake pens) and that in this case may be appropriate in size.

Otherwise, as you are well aware, it will make the pen cost more.

That said... The manufacturer did invest in the retractable mechanism, so I would not rule out the possibility of a piston filler tough it is highly unlikely.

 

P.s.

Now that I think about it, if there are retractable mechanism fake / replica pens in the market then buyers should probably take in account that there may also be fake/replica Bohémes

And we know that there are fake Montblanc 149 piston fillers now. The so called demonstrators from Korea showing up now are a great example.

[Tom Kellie]

~ This topic is especially relevant to me as yesterday a transaction was completed with a Montblanc boutique 1200 kilometers away, to the northeast.

There's nothing to report as a nib exchange has been requested. Details will be shared late next month or in January, 2017, after receiving the pen.

This transaction would never have gone forward, sight unseen, were it not for years of accumulated trust with the boutique and the sales representative.

They went to the trouble of sending a photograph of the pen and box with the serial number, to underscore the authenticity.

In this environment such precautions are business as usual.

Tom K.

[Nathanb]

Wow...!

[Chrissy]

And we know that there are fake Montblanc 149 piston fillers now. The so called demonstrators from Korea showing up now are a great example.

 

I have never seen a fake piston filler that actually has the same or a very similar piston filling mechanism as the authentic 149. Those that I have seen just have a converter stuck down inside that is accessed from the cone.

 

Do you have a reference to a fake 149 piston filler?

[jar]

 

I have never seen a fake piston filler that actually has the same or a very similar piston filling mechanism as the authentic 149. Those that I have seen just have a converter stuck down inside that is accessed from the cone.

 

Do you have a reference to a fake 149 piston filler?

Sure. There was even a thread her recently on them and yes, they are full pistons and not a captured converter. I'll try to find it again.

Found one with pictures even.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/307314-what-is-this-clear-149/

[zaddick]

Sure. There was even a thread her recently on them and yes, they are full pistons and not a captured converter. I'll try to find it again.

Found one with pictures even.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/307314-what-is-this-clear-149/

If these pens were made in the same black/red resin you would be hard pressed to tell from a few feet away. The particular maker highlighted in that thread sells colors that are obviously not MB and the piston is not the same. Also, the recent ones have not included an MB nib or feed. They would also not fool anyone familiar with MB pens and the details are not sharp.

 

That said, I have seen some of these fantasy pens passed as real MB demos on eBay by other people. The internals and hardware are not the same, but most people would not kow the difference. So yes, absolutely the potential is out there for someone to make knock off 149 piston fillers and pass them as real. It has not happen on a mass scale so far.

[drgriz]

 

I have never seen a fake piston filler that actually has the same or a very similar piston filling mechanism as the authentic 149. Those that I have seen just have a converter stuck down inside that is accessed from the cone.

 

Do you have a reference to a fake 149 piston filler?

Here is the seller, scroll down and read the questions, they will do custom colors.

[ManicCollector]

I managed to get hold of one of these fakes, sadly I dont have the original to compare it against, but it does appear to be a piston filler (of some kind) and the nib is magnetic.

[REDEYEDROP]

A piston filler as well as the retractable mechanism! Not happy about it but it is an impressive leap.

 

If you didn't know any better would you think it is genuine? Or that it feels cheap?

[KJY]

Luckily, the nib is very obvious to be fake. The real one has a whole other design (breath-hole, shape of nib and stamping). So ask for good clear pictures if you want to buy one.

[penparadise]

The most obvious difference its the vent hole.

 

It's heart shaped on the original and round shaped on the fake nib. So you don't need the magnetic test to know about real or fake. Just a picture of the nib will do it.