Ligne 60 Question

[mariom]

I'm considering this Ligne 60 as it has a nice looking nib. According to the seller, the filler is faulty. Specifically, his description is

 

"i am not sure if it is a converter or not , i tried gently remove it but it would not budge. i have tried to lever up gold part of filler unit to suck up fluid but nothing happens , i have assumed this is the correct way to fill it , therefore i assume it is faulty and offer it as such"

 

What is the filling system - converter or integrated? Is it a straightforward fix, or is it one of those impossible to find 60s cartridges & converters.

 

Also, are these pens good writers as a rule?

 

Thanks for your assistance

 

Mario

 

[rivermaze]

I believe it is a not-integrated converter and the pen accepts cartridges. Although, these are hard to find.

 

http://www.penworkshop.co.uk/index.php?_a=product&product_id=1467

[mariom]

So, assuming that the converter sac has perished, are thy replaceable or repairable?

[rivermaze]

I have no idea if this converter is repairable. I have only seen one of these before. Even if it is, the question would be whether it's worth troubling yourself or not. You can still buy a new one, C/F squeeze type as I can imagine, but they tend to be rather expensive (http://www.penbox.co.uk/waterman.ink.htm). Maybe there is something cheaper on ebay. Personally, I'd rather try to find an old type Waterman cartridge and use a syringe for refilling.

Edited April 12, 2015 by rivermaze

[rivermaze]

Well, you can also make a converter using a 1ml syringe:

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/uploads/post-49311-025025500%201285610172.jpg

 

(https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/165349-homemade-converter/?p=1695927)

[Ernst Bitterman]

I've got one of these, and the metal shell came out of the pen easily enough, but the plug to which the sac attaches will not shift. I've seen others say that it's not meant to be detached, which brings up a serious maintenance question. If you CAN shift it, it looks like a C/F cartridge should mount on the stem, but I can't work out how to free it.

[mariom]

Thanks everyone. Sounds like a bit too much hassle, so I think I'll pass on th pen.

[northlodge]

The info given has generally been wrong, except Ernst was on the right track. I have repaired a few of these, found that the metal filling unit can be a (bleep) to remove, but that you must indeed remove it without damaging it in any way. The pen came with this originally, there was no need to remove it, and so they perform that DIY weld that comes with 50 years of inhabiting the same space.

 

Then by getting inside the metal unit you can remove the petrified ink sac and replace it with a suitably sized new one. The little metal flap at the base will now move and the operation is similar to the Parker squeeze to fill systems.

 

The working pen is a nice user pen

Edited April 15, 2015 by northlodge

[rivermaze]

Yes indeed I was wrong earlier. This is one of the Waterman's X-pens (capillary refill pens) somehow similar to Parker 61.

[Ernst Bitterman]

...that DIY weld that comes with 50 years of inhabiting the same space.

 

 

It's good to know that it is potentially EVENTUALLY possible to get that little interface free.

 

This is one of the Waterman's X-pens (capillary refill pens) somehow similar to Parker 61.

 

 

Just for the sake of comparison, this is an X-Pen.

http://dirck.delint.ca/beta/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Waterman-0488.jpg

Unlike the Parker, you just put it face down in the ink; the body won't unscrew on most of them, and shouldn't be undone in any event. If you do get into one, you'll find there's no metal at all in the filler:

Edited April 16, 2015 by Ernst Bitterman

[eharriett]

Hey, resurrecting this topic because I need some help.

 

I got an x-Pen Junior with nothing in it. No filler, no tube. In fact, it took a lot to find this pic that Ernst Bitterman put out (couldn’t find it in any of the searches).

 

So I have a pen body and nib in excellent shape with a hollow pen. Anyone think there may be a way to recreate the innards of this pen? Looking at the pic, I might be able to match that filler with a long cartridge, fill it with something like gauze?? However, what can I use to connect the filler to the top of the nib? Any ideas? This might be a fun little project.

[Left FPN]

If you can find a cartridge that will fit and can be bonded in the section it could be turned into a sac pen.

 

[eharriett]

That’s what I was looking at, actually. I tried a pilot cartridge, which fits the barren perfectly, but is flush with the section, so that’s too big. I then tried a standard international. It fits, albeit a bit loose, but I could make something fit in it.

 

However, the question of what to use to absorb the ink so it simply does not drip out of the pen via the nib is what is tripping me up (the pen has no feed). Is there a seating I could get for the cart to sit on and then simply put a very small piece of sponge on gauze under it? Am I going down the right path?

 

My thought is if the capillary piece cannot be fully recreated, can I have a cartridge in its place? Although, secretly, I am holding out hope someone has an idea as to how to recreate the capillary filler.

[Left FPN]

Sorry I failed to understand it was missing the feed.

 

How is the nib held in place.

[Francois_uk]

Picture of the correct ink cartridge for the Line 60 (link from French forum, http://stylo-plume.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=14795). As per Waterman 88 below.

 

 

Here is a picture I took this morning with all plastic cartridges developed by Waterman. As you can see, even though the reference no 23 is used, the 88 type has a much longer shoulder (or whatever word is used to described the bit that goes into the nib section).

 

This gives you an overview of the no 23 plastic cartridges as used in the 60's (Waterman 88, green pack, older 23 standard), 70's (logo W, new 23 standard), 80's (as 70's but not washable/effaçable) and 80's (as 70's but washable). Of course, there is also the CF type which is shorter. The latter could also be used with the smaller Line 60 for ladies.

 

http://www.chezrossi.net/pen/Waterman_cartridges.jpg

Edited February 6, 2019 by Francois_uk

[eharriett]

Sorry I failed to understand it was missing the feed.

 

How is the nib held in place.

 

I'll send you a pic this evening after work, but if I remember correctly, the body is molded just right to holf a nib. The capillary filler acts as the feed to the nib. Not having a working one of these pens and, frankly, the pic higher up in this thread being the best one I have been able to find, I'm not entirely sure.

[eharriett]

Here's some pics of the bottom of the pen. No feed. The hole at the bottom is supposed to be for ink to get sucked in and the pen isn't supposed to really be opened at all. I'd like to jury rig a new system for the pen. Possibly a converter, but I need something to wick ink down to the nib.