Fake Parker 75(?)

[aiden]

So I inherited some pens (fountain pens and ball pens) from my dear departed mother. I am sure that all of the pens I inherited are at least 20 years old because I would remember if they bought any more FPs in the mid or late 90s. It took me several days of research in the identification of those pens. In the lot I have 2 Parker 75 Cisele.

 

One of them is fake. A pretty good fake, but not good enough.

 

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah134/aidenatapaz/IMG_0773_zpsensawsjt.jpg

 

The clip, flat tassie and the darker grid pattern should date this as one of the earlier Parker 75s, yes?

 

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah134/aidenatapaz/IMG_0775_zpsnkxu42hd.jpg

 

In this photo you can see the PARKER brand in line with the pen clip, also a mark of earlier Parker 75s, yes? You can also see the 0 mark on the collar of the section, and the long gripping section. Even the design of the arrow on the clip is quite accurate.

 

Here are the incriminating photos why I concluded it's a fake:

 

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah134/aidenatapaz/IMG_0777_zpsuqetxgss.jpg

 

As far as my research went, Parker never stamped the nib grade on the nib itself. The nib grade is stamped on the feed. This one indicates 66 on the nib. Here is the feed:

 

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah134/aidenatapaz/IMG_0778_zpsgu1yrgff.jpg

 

Totally different from the feed of Parker 75s. But wait...

 

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah134/aidenatapaz/IMG_0779_zpsniub5ivl.jpg

 

I pulled the feed out of the pen and this is what it looks like. As far as research goes, PARKER has only 2 versions of the feed and this is not one of them.

 

That's the last of the photos. Other methods I used to prove its authenticity, I tried switching nibs with the other Parker 75 (which I concluded authentic) and this one cannot take the other's nib because it is too loose. I also tried fitting a Parker converter and a cartridge into this pen and they also do not fit. (My other Parker 75, takes those converters and cartridges perfectly).

 

What do you guys think? Is my conclusion correct? I'm planning to use this as a daily beater. It's funny because the nib feels pretty smooth. It indicates a medium nib (66) but writes like a fine.

 

EDIT:

 

It comes a converter. Two possibilities, (A) it WAS a genuine Parker squeeze converter forced to fit; or ( it came with the pen from the start. I tried the converter into my other Parkers, it does not have that satisfying soft click when you put in a standard converter or cartridge.

Edited February 26, 2015 by aiden

[mitto]

To me , both the pen look to be genuine. The converter in the second pen Looks to be Parker too. As far as the feed is concerned I remember seeing such like feed on some Parker 75s. Perhaps other more knowledgable members would come in and shed more light on the matter at hand. Let us wait.

[daffie]

The pen isn't fake.

Only the nib and feed don't belong to this pen, but to the Parker VP.

So, it is a marriage.

[Matlock]

Interesting. Yes it is a VP nib in a 75. I wonder what they have done with the converter fitting?

[aiden]

Oh wow. It's possible it's not fake? Oh wow. I do hope more experts chime in. I was ready to chuck this one out of the "collection" and bring it as a daily beater pen. Could have been borrowed, could have been lost.

Converters and cartridges won't fit though. That's the final test. Standard Parker converters and cartridges won't fit. Also, when I tried switching nibs with the other Parker 75, this pen cannot hold the authentic nib because the section is too loose for the feed of the Parker 75 nib.

[mitto]

Interesting. Yes it is a VP nib in a 75. I wonder what they have done with the converter fitting?

Good news for those looking for cheaper replacement nibs for Parker 75s. Isn't it? Yet, the mystery remains as to what has been done for converter fitting.

[Matlock]

Good news for those looking for cheaper replacement nibs for Parker 75s. Isn't it? Yet, the mystery remains as to what has been done for converter fitting.

 

I am not so sure, as VP nibs don't come up for sale that often. Also the fittings are different, the feed is a screw fit not a push fit as in the 75 and the feed would not be long enough to reach the converter/cartridge. A mystery indeed.

[kirchh]

Did it have a converter that fits properly?

 

--Daniel

[mitto]

I am not so sure, as VP nibs don't come up for sale that often. Also the fittings are different, the feed is a screw fit not a push fit as in the 75 and the feed would not be long enough to reach the converter/cartridge. A mystery indeed.

Wouldn't the VP nib fit with the 75's own feed?

[mitto]

Did it have a converter that fits properly?

 

--Daniel

The VP's? You talking about VP's converter? It has this rather strange converter :

http://www.parkerpens.net/bilder_pennor/vp/parkervp-3-amir-eshel.jpg

[Matlock]

Wouldn't the VP nib fit with the 75's own feed?

It might fit, I have never tried, maybe someone has? In this case I think we are trying to establish the thinking (and the work) behind this rather strange 75/VP Frankenpen.

[mitto]

It might fit, I have never tried, maybe someone has? In this case I think we are trying to establish the thinking (and the work) behind this rather strange 75/VP Frankenpen.

 

Well, I think that is the tale behind this 'fake' P75.

[aiden]

Did it have a converter that fits properly?

 

--Daniel

It does! I forgot to mention that. It has its own converter with Parker markings too.

 

EDIT:

It comes with a converter. Two possibilities, (A) it WAS a genuine Parker squeeze converter forced to fit; or ( it came with the pen from the start. I tried the converter into my other Parkers, it does not have that satisfying soft click when you put in a standard converter or cartridge.

Edited February 26, 2015 by aiden

[Matlock]

Well, I think that is the tale behind this 'fake' P75.

 

We need a lot more info before we can find the answer. A VP nib and feed will not fit a 75 without modification and a VP converter wil not fit a 75. The converter in the OP's pictures looks much like Parker converter as fitted to the 75. Perhaps aiden can show us a picture of the converter out of the pen?

[mitto]

We need a lot more info before we can find the answer. A VP nib and feed will not fit a 75 without modification and a VP converter wil not fit a 75. The converter in the OP's pictures looks much like Parker converter as fitted to the 75. Perhaps aiden can show us a picture of the converter out of the pen?

As I said in post #2 the OP has now testified to the fact that the 'fake' pen has converter with Parker marking. In such a case the converter seems to have been held by the nipple of the pen without the VP feed reaching the nipple. This may cause flow problems in the pen but the OP's saying that the pen does not take any other Parker converters is unfathomable. Isn't it?

Edited February 26, 2015 by mitto

[Matlock]

As I said in post #2 the OP has now testified to the fact that the 'fake' pen has converter with Parker marking. In such a case the converter seems to have been held by the nipple of the pen without the VP feed reaching the nipple. This may cause flow problems in the pen but the OP's saying that the pen does not take any other Parker converters is unfathomable. Isn't it?

Quite. As other Parker converters do not fit it looks as though someone has carried out some "interesting" work on the nib unit of this 75. We shall see.