Pelikan M1000 Fine Vs Medium Nib?

[SobriquetLA]

Could you fine ladies and gentlemen help me decide between the fine and medium nib for a Pelikan M1000? I went to my local pen store and they do not stock the M1000, so I'll have to order sight unseen.

 

I'd like to get something that won't be too large for daily writing at the office and journaling. I'm concerned about the springy/semi-flex nature of the M1000 versus other Pelikan nibs I've used and its reputation for being very wet. My only Pelikan is an M215 with a Richard Binder M400 14k nib in fine that lays a medium-esque line.

 

Any advice? A writing sample would be greatly appreciated- I haven't been able to find anything by searching FPN with Google (the relevant threads had the pictures deleted). Thanks!

[stilllo]

Fine, fine, fine. The Medium just gushes all over the place. Fine suits daily writing very well, and if you're comfortable taking the nib assembly apart, setting the feed just slightly farther back than it comes from the factory makes it perfectly suitable for daily use, and when you apply a little bit of pressure it flares out wonderfully without any feathering. It's my favourite nib! The Extra Fine is a bit too boring and doesn't show off the ink quite as well.

[SobriquetLA]

Fine, fine, fine. The Medium just gushes all over the place. Fine suits daily writing very well, and if you're comfortable taking the nib assembly apart, setting the feed just slightly farther back than it comes from the factory makes it perfectly suitable for daily use, and when you apply a little bit of pressure it flares out wonderfully without any feathering. It's my favourite nib! The Extra Fine is a bit too boring and doesn't show off the ink quite as well.

 

Thank you for the advice. Could I trouble you for a writing sample?

[stilllo]

Sample. It's my M1005 Demo but it's the exact same nib, just all rhodium as opposed to two-tone:

Edited April 9, 2014 by lowfiwhiteguy

[proton007]

Could you fine ladies and gentlemen help me decide between the fine and medium nib for a Pelikan M1000? I went to my local pen store and they do not stock the M1000, so I'll have to order sight unseen.

 

I'd like to get something that won't be too large for daily writing at the office and journaling. I'm concerned about the springy/semi-flex nature of the M1000 versus other Pelikan nibs I've used and its reputation for being very wet. My only Pelikan is an M215 with a Richard Binder M400 14k nib in fine that lays a medium-esque line.

 

Any advice? A writing sample would be greatly appreciated- I haven't been able to find anything by searching FPN with Google (the relevant threads had the pictures deleted). Thanks!

 

You can either use a dry ink with a wet nib, or use a wet ink with dry nib. Choose whichever option maximizes your writing style.

[stilllo]

^^ Sample above is with a pretty wet ink and it still behaves very well even in the wet M1000. That one doesnt have the feed mod I suggested done to it.

[meblamy]

When I asked Richard this exact same question before buying my M1005, his advice was to expect a fine M100X nib to be about the same as a medium M80X nib, and I've found that advice to be spot on. For daily use, I'd go fine with a M100X where I'd go medium with a M80X. YMMV

[fljones3]

 

I'd like to get something that won't be too large for daily writing at the office and journaling. I'm concerned about the springy/semi-flex nature of the M1000 versus other Pelikan nibs I've used and its reputation for being very wet. My only Pelikan is an M215 with a Richard Binder M400 14k nib in fine that lays a medium-esque line.

 

Pelikan nibs can vary quite a bit from pen to pen. I got an EF on my M805 that wrote slightly wider than a medium nib. Then I purchased a M800 with a F nib that wrote about a Binderized Medium. Both wrote very well, just not my preferred width.

 

If you are happy with the Binder F on you M215 then I would definitely go with the F over the M. You will probably find it laying a wider line than your Binder F. I loved my Binderized F on my M205 so much that I sent my M80x to be tuned to the same criteria.

 

Of course, you could always order it from Richard

Edited April 9, 2014 by fljones3

[stilllo]

When I asked Richard this exact same question before buying my M1005, his advice was to expect a fine M100X nib to be about the same as a medium M80X nib, and I've found that advice to be spot on. For daily use, I'd go fine with a M100X where I'd go medium with a M80X. YMMV

This. I have a medium M805 and fine M1000/1005s and it's perfect for me.

Edited April 9, 2014 by lowfiwhiteguy

[proton007]

^^ Sample above is with a pretty wet ink and it still behaves very well even in the wet M1000. That one doesnt have the feed mod I suggested done to it.

 

I wouldn't call that 'well behaved', as I can notice some feathering. Iroshizuku inks are on the wet side.

 

But everyone is entitled to his own opinion, it's your own notebook and pen after all.

Edited April 9, 2014 by proton007

[petachiu]

 

Pelikan nibs can vary quite a bit from pen to pen. I got an EF on my M805 that wrote slightly wider than a medium nib. Then I purchased a M800 with a F nib that wrote about a Binderized Medium. Both wrote very well, just not my preferred width.

 

If you are happy with the Binder F on you M215 then I would definitely go with the F over the M. You will probably find it laying a wider line than your Binder F. I loved my Binderized F on my M205 so much that I sent my M80x to be tuned to the same criteria.

 

Of course, you could always order it from Richard

 

I had the same experience, I settled with an EF that writes almost like a F.

[SobriquetLA]

Does anyone know by chance the size of the nib? I was hoping to get something in the 0.7-0.8mm range. From what I'm seeing, there's little variation between the down and cross strokes. One of the ideas kicking around my head is to get a medium or bold nib and then send it off to Mike it Work to turn into a 0.7-0.8mm stub.

[stilllo]

 

I wouldn't call that 'well behaved', as I can notice some feathering. Iroshizuku inks are on the wet side.

 

But everyone is entitled to his own opinion, it's your own notebook and pen after all.

 

Err, I just suck at writing. Feathering is really quite minimal, but I do agree that Edelstein in this pen gets the crispest edges on the characters (ZERO feathering), which is definitely a drier ink. They both work well though.

[proton007]

Does anyone know by chance the size of the nib? I was hoping to get something in the 0.7-0.8mm range. From what I'm seeing, there's little variation between the down and cross strokes. One of the ideas kicking around my head is to get a medium or bold nib and then send it off to Mike it Work to turn into a 0.7-0.8mm stub.

 

 

If you get a B nib, atleast for the M1000 I know it has some variation between down and cross strokes. But for a 'crisper' line, it'll have to be custom ground.

[Bo Bo Olson]

I saw a chart...where the 800 nib is it's very own size set...narrower than the regular Pelikan nib widths. Waterman has tow nib sets one as wide as the normal Pelikan the other skinnier. The 800 set was between them.

 

I'd suggest an F too, in how wide it writes depends on how light your hand is....and in it is ...depending on who said...a nice springy regular flex....or semi-flex. With an F you can find nice shading inks.

The one I tested in a B&M was to me semi-flex....(got 26 of them)

I only have two dry semi-flex (good for wet ink)...all the rest are wetter writers than most regular vintage regular flex....I do have a couple that are real gushers....good for dry Pelikan ink.

 

I'd suggest buying a 140 to get use to semi-flex...in it is 14 C and won't bend and stay bent like a modern 18K nib.The 14 C nib can be written with by the Ham Fisted.....the 1000's 18 K not. You need at least a slightly ham fisted hand...like you need for vintage 'flexi'/maxi-semi-flex like on a 400NN.....a grand, great medium large pen, with a great nib.

 

Semi-flex is not designed to do Olympic splits...so don't press the nib past a tine spread of 3 X a light down stroke.

It will add a nice flare to your writing, the first letter of a word will tend to be wider, half the last letter and your crossed T's will look nice too.

[Morbus Curiositas]

Dear Sobriquet,

 

On your request inserted a handwritten review witht my Pelikan M800 with a medium nib.

I am very happy with both the pen-and the nib size.

 

As I mentioned in the handwritten review I have tested most of the Souveräns with various nib sizes.

I chose the M800 because it is a beautiful impressive pen, which has a perfect fit for me. I have quite large hands and the pen is well balanced. It is not to big or to heavy so I can write hours with it.

 

I also tested the M1000. Very Impressive But it is a little too big for everyday use. It is so big that if you take of the bottom and the nib section you can probably use it as a Bazooka.

I have heard that, that chubby idiotic infant Kim Jong Un of North Korea ,has two of them… One is for writing hate propaganda against the West. The other one he uses for launching missiles…

 

No serious now..

 

The shopkeeper where I bought my Fountain Pen told me that the very large Fountain Pens are more used for signing letters, or writing short notes like i.e. doctors recipes and that isthe same for (very) broad nibs. That was a nice advice considering that he could have made more money by selling me the M1000. He too believes the m800 is better suited for everyday work.

 

 

There is very nice Youtube review of one of my great fountain pen hero’s SBRE Brown. He compares the M1000 with the M800. You will find the link down below.

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-s81DgNp8Q

 

Lord Brown also did a video on what type of nib to choose.

 

 

Nib choice

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Svq3M7sPU

 

I must warn you though, Lord Brown is a bit of a Broad-a-Holic

 

The Pelikans are excellent pens but they are not cheap. So I strongly suggest to test the various pens and nibs personally…

 

Succes in your quest for the perfect Pelikan…

 

Regards,

 

Peter

 

[Alex2014]

I have M800 M nib and I could say that it is one of my broadest nib (broader than Waterman or Parker M nib). I'll send it to be re-ground to F nib. Because my writing is not too large, I actually use the M800 only for signature.

[proton007]

Dear Sobriquet,

 

On your request inserted a handwritten review witht my Pelikan M800 with a medium nib.

I am very happy with both the pen-and the nib size.

 

As I mentioned in the handwritten review I have tested most of the Souveräns with various nib sizes.

I chose the M800 because it is a beautiful impressive pen, which has a perfect fit for me. I have quite large hands and the pen is well balanced. It is not to big or to heavy so I can write hours with it.

 

I also tested the M1000. Very Impressive But it is a little too big for everyday use. It is so big that if you take of the bottom and the nib section you can probably use it as a Bazooka.

I have heard that, that chubby idiotic infant Kim Jong Un of North Korea ,has two of them… One is for writing hate propaganda against the West. The other one he uses for launching missiles…

 

No serious now..

 

The shopkeeper where I bought my Fountain Pen told me that the very large Fountain Pens are more used for signing letters, or writing short notes like i.e. doctors recipes and that isthe same for (very) broad nibs. That was a nice advice considering that he could have made more money by selling me the M1000. He too believes the m800 is better suited for everyday work.

 

 

The difference between the M800 and M1000 isn't so much in the body but in the nib and cap. The M1000 has a longer nib and cap. The body is fairly similar diameter, and just slightly longer.

 

Also, the iridium tipping on the M800's nib is fatter than that on M1000. Not sure why.

Edited April 9, 2014 by proton007

[SobriquetLA]

Thank you so much for your replies (and your written review, Morbus!). I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I'm not afraid of the pen itself being too large, but of the line width from the nib being too wide for my writing. I have an Edison Herald with a 1.1 stub and I find it impractical. The writing is somewhat sloppy unless I write with an excessively large hand.

 

I have very large hands, and while the M800 was extremely pleasant and comfortable, I was hoping for something a bit larger compared against my M215 (which I think is M600 sized). I need to think on this just a little. If I intend to not send it in to be reground, I think the fine nib is the way to go. However, if I want it reground to a stub, I think I need to go with medium or broad. Decisions, decisions....

Edited April 10, 2014 by SobriquetLA

[proton007]

Thank you so much for your replies (and your written review, Morbus!). I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I'm not afraid of the pen itself being too large, but of the line width from the nib being too wide for my writing. I have an Edison Herald with a 1.1 stub and I find it impractical. The writing is somewhat sloppy unless I write with an excessively large hand.

 

I have very large hands, and while the M800 was extremely pleasant and comfortable, I was hoping for something a bit larger compared against my M215 (which I think is M600 sized). I need to think on this just a little. If I intend to not send it in to be reground, I think the fine nib is the way to go. However, if I want it reground to a stub, I think I need to go with medium or broad. Decisions, decisions....

 

The 1.1 is one of the best nibs I've used! I wouldn't use it for official purposes, but for personal use, it's one of the best ways to get the most out of your inks.