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Hi,

 

I am trying to purchase a good, solid, reliable Pelikan fountain pen for mathematics and English literature. I own an M200(a bit small with cap posted and light), M800(too large, but weight is ok with cap on/off), and a VP(ok, but ink capacity is small). I figure that the M600 is the way to go since its more of in the middle in a way. Yet, the M215 according to Binder's site is really close to the M600. Its close and more affordable. I can purchase the M215 with a few extra nibs for about a price close to the M600.

 

 

 

***Pelikan M200: Length Posted(148mm), Barrel Diameter(11.9mm), and Weight(13.0g)

***PElikan M400: Length Posted(148mm), Barrel Diameter(11.9mm), and Weight(14.9g)

***Pelikan M215: Length Posted(153mm), Barrel Diameter(12.2mm), and Weight(20.6g)

***Pelikan M600: Lenght Posted(153mm), Barrel Diameter(12.4mm), and Weight(17.4g)

***Pelikan M800: Lenght Posted(166mm), Barrel Diameter(13.0mm), and Weight(28.8g)

 

According to the pictures, the M215 is just a tiny bit longer(with the cap posted) than the M200/400.

 

According to the pictures, the M215 is "almost" similar to the M600 in length except the M600 has a bigger nib than the M215. Its longer and wider.

 

 

Does this make a bit of difference in feel? Has anyone used the M200, M215, and M600 at some point in time or has them now? Would you/all of you find the M215 close to the M600?

 

Any information is truly appreciated.

 

Many thanks. :thumbup: :notworthy1: :notworthy1:

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I am trying to purchase a good, solid, reliable Pelikan fountain pen for mathematics and English literature....

 

I'd never really thought about pens as being good for particular subjects! I would imagine that Pelikans would be better for philosophy, art history, German language and literature...

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I am trying to purchase a good, solid, reliable Pelikan fountain pen for mathematics and English literature....

 

I'd never really thought about pens as being good for particular subjects! I would imagine that Pelikans would be better for philosophy, art history, German language and literature...

 

 

I am taking literature so that's one. Philosophy is another interest of mine.

I honestly see mathematics as art. Beautiful equations explaining or trying to explain something such as the expansion of the universe, the riddles inside black holes, the behavior inside an atom or just simply explaining internal mathematical structures. Written of course with a fountain pen, makes them even more beautiful.

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Hi,

 

I am trying to purchase a good, solid, reliable Pelikan fountain pen for mathematics and English literature. I own an M200(a bit small with cap posted and light), M800(too large, but weight is ok with cap on/off), and a VP(ok, but ink capacity is small). I figure that the M600 is the way to go since its more of in the middle in a way. Yet, the M215 according to Binder's site is really close to the M600. Its close and more affordable. I can purchase the M215 with a few extra nibs for about a price close to the M600.

 

 

 

***Pelikan M200: Length Posted(148mm), Barrel Diameter(11.9mm), and Weight(13.0g)

***PElikan M400: Length Posted(148mm), Barrel Diameter(11.9mm), and Weight(14.9g)

***Pelikan M215: Length Posted(153mm), Barrel Diameter(12.2mm), and Weight(20.6g)

***Pelikan M600: Lenght Posted(153mm), Barrel Diameter(12.4mm), and Weight(17.4g)

***Pelikan M800: Lenght Posted(166mm), Barrel Diameter(13.0mm), and Weight(28.8g)

 

According to the pictures, the M215 is just a tiny bit longer(with the cap posted) than the M200/400.

 

According to the pictures, the M215 is "almost" similar to the M600 in length except the M600 has a bigger nib than the M215. Its longer and wider.

 

 

Does this make a bit of difference in feel? Has anyone used the M200, M215, and M600 at some point in time or has them now? Would you/all of you find the M215 close to the M600?

 

Any information is truly appreciated.

 

Many thanks. :thumbup: :notworthy1: :notworthy1:

 

I acutally own all of the pens you mention, and I use them for math. ( part of my pain managment .. a great distraction ).

 

First, it is not just the sizes, but the type of nibs.. Steel vs the Gold. If you tend to like a pen with more girth, you will notice the minor girth difference between the 600 and the 215.

 

The 215 is one of my favorite pelikans.. it is heavier than a 200 and I notice it, it makes it feel more solid and balanced. With a xfine steel nib and good ink it writes great on any paper without having to worry about bleeding. ( and the nice part is the steel nibs are cheap, so you can easily have a range of nib sizes ). So versus the 600, you will notice the size difference but it is not a show stopper. the weight gives it a feel of more balance over a 600.. the steel nibs are not as smooth and require effort, but for every day paper, the steel nibs cans lay down a very sharp line.

 

The 600. I just got a 600 (white tortoise), and it is a very nice pen. the gold nibs are smooth and make it a pleasure.. The girth of the barrel and the gold nib make it a smooth and effortless writing experience. I do math with this as well, with a fine nib. i should have an xFine nib on this for that purpose.

 

The 600 vs 215 size,, yes you will notice the girth difference.. not so much the length.. except if you do not post the caps. However. for your needs the steel nib 215 is a nice start for the price.. and yes the 215 over the 200 easily.

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I am taking literature so that's one. Philosophy is another interest of mine.

I honestly see mathematics as art. Beautiful equations explaining or trying to explain something such as the expansion of the universe, the riddles inside black holes, the behavior inside an atom or just simply explaining internal mathematical structures. Written of course with a fountain pen, makes them even more beautiful.

 

While my reply was tongue-in-cheek, I agree with your view on math (which is also akin to philosophy and poetry IMHO) and with the pleasure one can derive from working in these -- and other -- disciplines with a nice pen.

 

To come back to your question, and in all seriousness, I can't imagine but the choice of a given pen for a given subject could be anything other than subjective, though I would love to consider arguments to the contrary.

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My experience:

 

M215 is smaller but heavier because of the all metal body, I got a gold nib for it so performance wise, they're similar. You could even get M600's nib for it.

 

Pro's of an M215 vs well, any regular M400 or M600? It's more subtle (palladium color + less trims), heavier (but not heavy at all), finish is lacquer (I think) so might be more scratch resistant but either way I find that it accepts wax (ren. wax) better but cleans/polishes as well as their celluloid/plastic pens.

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For me, M605 is the perfect size, while M215 feels cramped. I use the M215 nib in the M605, though (Medium CI from one of the usual nib workers).

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I like the Pelikans, but prefer my M640 Polar lights to the M215. I was once tempted to use the M640 nib in an M215. Probably doesn't make much sense, though. Too contrarian.

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My comment and suggestion is simple. Ignore the remarks made on here and get yourself to a 'shop' where you can hold a pen or two. When you find the one or more that feel right in you hand; buy it/them.

Then, the decision about which pen for which subject is yours alone.

There is no right pen for a particular egress of one's thoughts: everything lies in the current account of the beholder.

In other words: buy a pen; live with it; enjoy it.

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The 200/400 are standard sized pens, the modern 600's are medium large pens. Like a 400NN.

or a P-51.

 

The vintage pre'98 600s are standard.

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I have an M405 (which is the same size as the M200), M605, and M800. There is a difference in the size even the numbers may seem close, you can noticebly tell a difference. If you're looking for something a bit smaller than the M800 the M600 is lighter and smaller, but larger and heavier than the M200.

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It may not look like it, but there is a difference in the diameter in the barrel between the M200/400 to M600. L to R M405, M605, M800

 

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judging by the specs on the 215 though, its probably very similar to the M600

 

The OP is also considering price, and is the difference worth the price. Personally I made the same progression with Pelikan, started with a 200, 215, now have a 600.

 

If you factor price into the decision, it is hard to say the 215 with its weight is not close enough to a 600 in specs to just go for the cheaper price. Though it is really subjective if you have larger hands and every 1/4" makes a difference in comfort.

Your life really starts when you buy your first Dupont fountain pen; so stop aimlessly wandering through life and buy a Dupont!

 

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Hi,

 

I am trying to purchase a good, solid, reliable Pelikan fountain pen for mathematics and English literature. I own an M200(a bit small with cap posted and light), M800(too large, but weight is ok with cap on/off), and a VP(ok, but ink capacity is small). I figure that the M600 is the way to go since its more of in the middle in a way. Yet, the M215 according to Binder's site is really close to the M600. Its close and more affordable. I can purchase the M215 with a few extra nibs for about a price close to the M600.

 

 

 

***Pelikan M200: Length Posted(148mm), Barrel Diameter(11.9mm), and Weight(13.0g)

***PElikan M400: Length Posted(148mm), Barrel Diameter(11.9mm), and Weight(14.9g)

***Pelikan M215: Length Posted(153mm), Barrel Diameter(12.2mm), and Weight(20.6g)

***Pelikan M600: Lenght Posted(153mm), Barrel Diameter(12.4mm), and Weight(17.4g)

***Pelikan M800: Lenght Posted(166mm), Barrel Diameter(13.0mm), and Weight(28.8g)

 

According to the pictures, the M215 is just a tiny bit longer(with the cap posted) than the M200/400.

 

According to the pictures, the M215 is "almost" similar to the M600 in length except the M600 has a bigger nib than the M215. Its longer and wider.

 

 

Does this make a bit of difference in feel? Has anyone used the M200, M215, and M600 at some point in time or has them now? Would you/all of you find the M215 close to the M600?

 

Any information is truly appreciated.

 

Many thanks. :thumbup: :notworthy1: :notworthy1:

 

 

I might be wrong, but I think the M215 is exact the same size as the M200. Only the weight is different. At the pelikan website both are said to be 12,5 cm.

 

The m600 is bigger but also lighter. And u said the m800 weight is about perfect.

 

So therefore I would suggest to have a look at the m640's. The special editions "Beauties of nature".

 

The are about the same size as the M600's. But they weight about 33 grams with is only slightly more than the m800 (28,7 grams) and a lot more than the m600 (17,6 grams) and should give the best of both.

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My comment and suggestion is simple. Ignore the remarks made on here and get yourself to a 'shop' where you can hold a pen or two. When you find the one or more that feel right in you hand; buy it/them.

Then, the decision about which pen for which subject is yours alone.

There is no right pen for a particular egress of one's thoughts: everything lies in the current account of the beholder.

In other words: buy a pen; live with it; enjoy it.

 

 

Thank you for your response.

I want to do that, but the shop sells them for a bit more. Don't know how much exactly it is for the Pelikans yet, but a Namiki Falcon went for about $240 last time I checked two years ago. On Ebay, today, they go for about $140. I can do plenty with those $100. With Binder the M600 is in the mid $300s, so I am guessing right now, it could be in the mid to late $400s at the local shop. The shop lets you dip the pen so the line ends up coming out a tiny bit wider when I write with it. Binder tunes the pen exactly how you like it.

 

If the shop lets me fill the pens up with the pistons, clean the nib, and then write with it, then maybe I could get a close enough line and purchase the pen regardless of the price. It will be worth it knowing 100% that that pen is for me, but that doesn't happen in the real world. :embarrassed_smile:

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Hi,

 

I am trying to purchase a good, solid, reliable Pelikan fountain pen for mathematics and English literature. I own an M200(a bit small with cap posted and light), M800(too large, but weight is ok with cap on/off), and a VP(ok, but ink capacity is small). I figure that the M600 is the way to go since its more of in the middle in a way. Yet, the M215 according to Binder's site is really close to the M600. Its close and more affordable. I can purchase the M215 with a few extra nibs for about a price close to the M600.

 

 

 

***Pelikan M200: Length Posted(148mm), Barrel Diameter(11.9mm), and Weight(13.0g)

***PElikan M400: Length Posted(148mm), Barrel Diameter(11.9mm), and Weight(14.9g)

***Pelikan M215: Length Posted(153mm), Barrel Diameter(12.2mm), and Weight(20.6g)

***Pelikan M600: Lenght Posted(153mm), Barrel Diameter(12.4mm), and Weight(17.4g)

***Pelikan M800: Lenght Posted(166mm), Barrel Diameter(13.0mm), and Weight(28.8g)

 

According to the pictures, the M215 is just a tiny bit longer(with the cap posted) than the M200/400.

 

According to the pictures, the M215 is "almost" similar to the M600 in length except the M600 has a bigger nib than the M215. Its longer and wider.

 

 

Does this make a bit of difference in feel? Has anyone used the M200, M215, and M600 at some point in time or has them now? Would you/all of you find the M215 close to the M600?

 

Any information is truly appreciated.

 

Many thanks. :thumbup: :notworthy1: :notworthy1:

 

 

I might be wrong, but I think the M215 is exact the same size as the M200. Only the weight is different. At the pelikan website both are said to be 12,5 cm.

 

The m600 is bigger but also lighter. And u said the m800 weight is about perfect.

 

So therefore I would suggest to have a look at the m640's. The special editions "Beauties of nature".

 

The are about the same size as the M600's. But they weight about 33 grams with is only slightly more than the m800 (28,7 grams) and a lot more than the m600 (17,6 grams) and should give the best of both.

 

 

Thank you for your response. They do seem really pretty and must be even more beautiful in person. They do carry a hefty price though. One problem that I forgot to mention is that the m200 that I have is not really a "luxury item" eventhough $100 pen is considered by many a luxury item. The m215 also doesn't seem to be. The m800 is a luxury to me. Its beautiful and big. If it was an anomaly and could not recieve scratches, then I would do with it, but I am always cautious and aware of my surroundings when I carry it.

If I am or was close to dropping the m200 to the floor, its not a really big deal, but if I feel that the m800 was close to falling or is a bit close to the edge of my desk, my heart gets lodged in my throat. I feel that I would have a heart attack if the m640 Mt. Everest fell to the floor. :roflmho:

 

The m600 would hurt, but not so much, but if the m215 and m600 were close to equal then I would go for the m215 and take it with me everywhere. The m800 would stay at home.

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It may not look like it, but there is a difference in the diameter in the barrel between the M200/400 to M600. L to R M405, M605, M800

 

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Thank you for your response and pictures. Your M605 is the same color as my M800. :lol:

There is a small jump from the m405 to the m605, but from what I read here, the difference is really noticeable when holding them. I guess I will take the gamble and go for an m600 from Ebay. I might get the F nib close to what I want.

 

Thank you :thumbup:

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No problem. My stock M405 fine nib writes equal to my Binderized M605 medium nib. The Binderized is accurate to its width, the fine is wide albiet enjoy them both.

 

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Don't forget that the M640s are all metal with lacquer so they should be more resilient :)

 

I have to agree, though my favorite pen is the M800, the M640 offer a great balance and comfortable grip (I don't post my pens).

Also, they shine/polish as easily as their celluloid pens.

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