What Is This Sheaffer

[Bingy]

This was my first fountain pen bought for me by my dad while I was at school in the very late 80's early 90's. It is a cartridge pen. Now I am older and collect FP's I am interested to know what model it actually is. I know all the makes and models of my other pens but sadly this one is refered to as "dads pen" and I know nothing else about it. Any advice would be gratefully received. Thanks

[Ernst Bitterman]

It's a Triumph, although I can't immediately think of the number describing the finish. 444, I think, but someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

[athar201]

it is sheaffer 444

[Bingy]

Thanks for the information guys! At last my pen has a name.

[jar]

Thanks for the information guys! At last my pen has a name.

 

Just remember that 444 is not a name or model, but just a finish.

[athar201]

hi there

 

i have a new pen with the sticker on it by that i guessed the model is 444

 

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt52/athar201hot/IMG_1970.jpg

 

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt52/athar201hot/IMG_1969.jpg

Edited October 6, 2012 by athar201

[jar]

hi there

 

i have a new pen with the sticker on it by that i guessed the model is 444

 

 

 

Correct, but Sheaffer also used the designation 444 on other models that had the same finish. The actual model number would likely be printed on the outer carton or the catalog.

[kkshadow]

Most interesting on the designation.. I've also seen these referred to as Imperials, or quasi-Imperials as these have the smaller triangle on the inlaid nib. I've always thought of these pens with the smaller inlaid nibs as being in the 400 series, with the 444 being the brushed steel (as in Parker flighter) version.

 

But that's just me. "Often wrong, but never in doubt". If you said on this forum you had a 444, this is the pen I would picture.

[JonSzanto]

This pen is during a time of... confusion with Sheaffer. Nearly identical pens going by either the Imperial or Triumph name. I've most often seen this attributed as a "Triumph", though my curiosity is now on moderately high, and I'll probably look at some Sheaffer catalogs over at PCA. Anyway, you can see the pen here.

 

Jar is correct: the number indicates finish (and trim):

 

444: brushed chrome, steel nib

444X: brushed chrome, steel nib, gold trim

444XG: brushed chrome, gold nib, gold trim (I have this model)

 

If you'd like to see the panorama, take a look at this page - lots there!

 

Edit: Also, I just realized there is a reference page here, which has a lot of info - looks like your pen is probably mid-1970's.

Edited October 10, 2012 by JonSzanto

[Ernst Bitterman]

Most interesting on the designation.. I've also seen these referred to as Imperials, or quasi-Imperials as these have the smaller triangle on the inlaid nib....

 

That's part of Sheaffer's terrible, decades-long scheme to drive us all mad. As the Imperial line got older, it grew various curlicues, and one of these was a splitting of the line into expensive Imperials and pedestrian Triumphs in the 1970s. This is not (if possible) to be confused with the top-of-line solid gold Imperial Triumph of earlier days nor the reasonable Triumph Imperial that wrapped up the line.

 

:blink: :hmm1:

[jar]

Most interesting on the designation.. I've also seen these referred to as Imperials, or quasi-Imperials as these have the smaller triangle on the inlaid nib....

 

That's part of Sheaffer's terrible, decades-long scheme to drive us all mad. As the Imperial line got older, it grew various curlicues, and one of these was a splitting of the line into expensive Imperials and pedestrian Triumphs in the 1970s. This is not (if possible) to be confused with the top-of-line solid gold Imperial Triumph of earlier days nor the reasonable Triumph Imperial that wrapped up the line.

 

:blink: :hmm1:

 

Nor all of the Triumph nibbed pens that preceded the inlaid nib pens.

[Bingy]

This pen is during a time of... confusion with Sheaffer. Nearly identical pens going by either the Imperial or Triumph name. I've most often seen this attributed as a "Triumph", though my curiosity is now on moderately high, and I'll probably look at some Sheaffer catalogs over at PCA. Anyway, you can see the pen here.

 

Jar is correct: the number indicates finish (and trim):

 

444: brushed chrome, steel nib

444X: brushed chrome, steel nib, gold trim

444XG: brushed chrome, gold nib, gold trim (I have this model)

 

If you'd like to see the panorama, take a look at this page - lots there!

 

Edit: Also, I just realized there is a reference page here, which has a lot of info - looks like your pen is probably mid-1970's.

 

The pen is definitly not 1970's as my dad bought it new when I was at secondary school. Looking at your reference source it is definitly a Triumph 444, because dad also bought a Triumph 440 (black body and brushed stainless cap). Seing the pair of them together was like having a flash back! It says they were produced till 1988 which ties in with when I was at school.

[JonSzanto]

The pen is definitly not 1970's as my dad bought it new when I was at secondary school. Looking at your reference source it is definitly a Triumph 444, because dad also bought a Triumph 440 (black body and brushed stainless cap). Seing the pair of them together was like having a flash back! It says they were produced till 1988 which ties in with when I was at school.

Glad we could be of help. I should have been more clear on the date, just meaning around when they were first produced. Heck, I didn't get my 444XG until last year, even though it was 'brand new'.

[terim]

I've seen boxed sets of the 444 and on the box it called the pen "Triumph White Dot" ..... nothing to do with the Triumph nib of course. I guess the folks at Sheaffer had a dictionary with very few words ....

 

 

 

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[mitto]

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it is sheaffer 444

 

And here are the 444X (gold clip) and 444XGs (gold clip and 14k gold nib):

Edited February 23, 2016 by mitto