Mont Blanc Nazi Pens

[Geheim]

Dear FPN,

It is nice to be back home after a long summer, as Im not in Burma working any longer I will now have time to update a few details and my profile. However I have these nice pens from my travels, and there is only one That I will share on the MB pages, I may show a watermans ink-vue to get the posibility of correct date and also too make sure the nib goes with the pen.

 

I probably purchased 140 pens some biros since early spring, all over the world, some in england at auctions, some at shops in Belgie, Holland, Germany and Italy. The tour with Ivana S. at Stipula did not materlise, as I could not get to Florence, but still have an invitation.

 

Nw lets just see what kind of replies I get from this. After reading and seeing that huge metal swastikar on that bade that was somehow fixed on that pen, you do not have to be a rocket scientist, to say t as a fake. In fact Im sure that my wannabe MB is not wat it is at all, bu a simplyexplanation like, On the barrell opposite side in all upper case lettering and of course I have pics to go with this so please just bear with me if i forget how to manage my pics etc.

so on t he cap the single gold band old style logo with the mountain top and the old style clip. It is a piston fillr and I have been usg her for months now as she is super smoothwriter.

 

normal ambered view section below the feed. Now the blind cap, M is there as is EF on the other and so on, the 3341/2 is there in white like the cap, but above the 333 1/2 is the initial and they are also different font and looks to be a different technique in the engraving, that reads S.-S. Now I read all those bedtime stories too. My gut says that man STOFFHAAS that has his name on the cap. mad have wanted to have is initials on his name,

so he has sid or sydney or sigfridd and his surname as stoffhaas, SS but not S.S. even in Germnay, you only use and please corrct me if im wrong as im not german and i do not live in germany at the present moment. If your company was stoffhaas steelworks, maybe you use S.-S. but not with a name unless it wassomething the old german yekkies did.

 

I will put the pictures on now. I also always wanted to sell my pens on here but ebay i think has always gave me a good plateform. I still think we should do a hall of fame ebay pen seller list. Masybe one of the top mods would organise that.

If not with some permission I will start off a new thread as I would like to contribute more especially in the pen, pencil areas and not just joking around. Its fun to make a joke here and there but i read all my posts and they sometimes digress quickly.

 

So in adavnce of my continual sabbath I will hopefully be back only here say sunday, again I hope this is not re opening the can of old worms as the pen I have looks like any other engraved MB just had a extra bit on the blind cap Im not familiar with.

 

Enjoy the weekend, and just a quick not the pen i flushed today is that Red watermans ink vue, and im using parker black ink.

will also repair a danish parker vacumatic this weekend. Tot ziens

 

 

Geheim.

[mirosc]

  On 9/21/2012 at 7:54 PM, Geheim said:

engraving, that reads S.-S. Now I read all those bedtime stories too. My gut says that man STOFFHAAS that has his name on the cap. mad have wanted to have is initials on his name,

so he has sid or sydney or sigfridd and his surname as stoffhaas, SS but not S.S. even in Germnay, you only use and please corrct me if im wrong as im not german and i do not live in germany at the present moment. If your company was stoffhaas steelworks, maybe you use S.-S. but not with a name unless it wassomething the old german yekkies did.

 

Stöffhaas is not a guy, but a shop from Hamburg that has sold Montblanc pens exclusively. I guess that S.-S. is some sort of "Stöffhaas Schreibwaren" ("Stoffhaas stationery shop").

For a name you don't use the "-" in German, and for the Nazi organisation just "SS" is used; btw many people have two S as initials and use them, my sister is one of them, but she has definitely nothing to with that. Some times past times are past times.

 

So: no Montblanc Nazi Pen (as you have titled)

 

But congratulations to the many pens you have found!

Edited September 21, 2012 by mirosc

[Geheim]

Goede Avonds Michael,

Thank you for that, as I thought and as you were so quiick reply. That these are just bedtime stories. Do you think Omas or Pelikan made SS pen equipment? It seems that when I watch a film now days IM always doing a bit of pen spotting. Like that Omas with the doamond on Tink Tailor Soldier Spy film.

 

I do not think that that increased the value as I know american companies did not do this sort or thing. I collect 4711 items, and I find many items from that Fabrik, that gives you indications about how tings come together, and I think that is so fitting the past is the past, sometimes people need to leave dead dogs laying. Thats an american saying slang but still saying about the past. In Burma if you ask the question and the answer you want to hear is not given the first time, you just leave it and move on, but if you ask the 2nd time they may say the same answer again, but if you continue on, you will soon wear your welcome out, and I doubt you will ever ask that question again.

 

Take good care, and again thanks for just realising my own gut instinct that this could never be and if it was, it is still in the drawer in Buenos Aires and belongs to to the grandson now.

 

doooei

aub

gsm

[outbackpengeek]

:blink:

[aawhite]

I came across an antique dealer in Dresden who had many Montblancs manufactured during the second world war. He said that these were the pens available to the Nazi officials. None of the pens had any Nazi markings.

[tenney]

Ah... I've seen "Stoffhaas" on several MBs and now I know what it means. I, too, thought it was a name engraved on the pen.

[mirosc]

  On 9/21/2012 at 9:04 PM, Geheim said:

Do you think Omas or Pelikan made SS pen equipment?

Of course they have made pens that have been used by the SS - there's no proof, but it's more than likely. But I don't know if there has any official order from the SS from Pelikan/Omas/Montblanc: "make us a pen with Swastika and/or SS-runes". Actually I doubt it very much.

 

  On 9/22/2012 at 12:03 AM, aawhite said:

I came across an antique dealer in Dresden who had many Montblancs manufactured during the second world war. He said that these were the pens available to the Nazi officials. None of the pens had any Nazi markings.

Most of the products for daily use in that time didn't have any Nazi markings at all - and if they had some markings the people were quite eager to get rid of them later.

 

  On 9/22/2012 at 5:32 AM, tenney said:

Ah... I've seen "Stoffhaas" on several MBs and now I know what it means. I, too, thought it was a name engraved on the pen.

You're welcome. Have a close look at the pens, some models were exclusively made for Stöffhaas (it should be with ö, not with o) in Hamburg (later also in Berlin and Leipzig) and only sold there, nowhere else. Some time ago we had a discussion about that in a German Forum and some consider Stöffhaas as a subbrand of Montblanc.

[Rosetta59]

  On 9/21/2012 at 7:54 PM, Geheim said:

:ltcapd:

Ha ha ha , after 70 years you see nazis everywhere !!!

what kind of nightmare for you British !!!

[meiers]

Montblanc NEVER made a "nazi pen".

There were indeed manufacturers who used the swastika in their marketing campaigns. Nazi officials forbade this practice because they wanted to control how their symbols and insignias were used in public.

Edited September 22, 2012 by meiers

[pavoni]

It is actually quite sunny in Manchester :embarrassed_smile:

 

Pavoni.

[meiers]

  On 9/22/2012 at 5:24 PM, pavoni said:

It is actually quite sunny in Manchester :embarrassed_smile:

 

Pavoni.

 

 

Here in Winnipeg we are having a cold blustery day.

[Pen Nut]

:

Ha ha ha , after 70 years you see nazis everywhere !!!

what kind of nightmare for you British !!!

 

Shall I do the "How many gears does an Italian tank have?" joke to even things up a bit ? :roflmho:

[pajaro]

  On 9/22/2012 at 7:39 PM, meiers said:

  On 9/22/2012 at 5:24 PM, pavoni said:

It is actually quite sunny in Manchester :embarrassed_smile:

 

Pavoni.

 

 

Here in Winnipeg we are having a cold blustery day.

 

I do not mind days like this here in Michigan, as long as there is no white stuff.

[pavoni]

  On 9/22/2012 at 7:49 PM, pajaro said:

  On 9/22/2012 at 7:39 PM, meiers said:

  On 9/22/2012 at 5:24 PM, pavoni said:

It is actually quite sunny in Manchester :embarrassed_smile:

 

Pavoni.

 

 

Here in Winnipeg we are having a cold blustery day.

 

I do not mind days like this here in Michigan, as long as there is no white stuff.

 

 

:clap1: That's better

 

Pavoni.

[meiers]

Edited September 23, 2012 by meiers

[Freddy]

Fascinating.... ..Deja vu.... ..Op..I'm curious and if you don't mind..do you have a photo

of Montblanc 332 1/2 ..."Mont Blanc Nazi Pens 332 1/2 I will just put one MB on"

Thank you for the consideration..

 

Fred

We know everything.

We know nothing.

We learn.

We forget.

In this game of life, we go on to roll the dice once more..

~ Dani Shapiro ~

Edit..Re Montblanc 332 1/2

Edited September 23, 2012 by Freddy

[aawhite]

  On 9/22/2012 at 2:33 PM, meiers said:

Montblanc NEVER made a "nazi pen".

There were indeed manufacturers who used the swastika in their marketing campaigns. Nazi officials forbade this practice because they wanted to control how their symbols and insignias were used in public.

 

Yes, this makes sense.

[Rosetta59]

  On 9/22/2012 at 7:48 PM, Pen Nut said:

 

 

Shall I do the "How many gears does an Italian tank have?" joke to even things up a bit ? :roflmho:

 

Italian tanks are current Leopards and if you google your question you find the respone.

I suggest to you to search also for queen elizabeth and valiant in the harbour of alexandria in egypt during 1941...

:roflmho: :meow:

[Manege Master]

I think this thread has been hijacked by Monty Python. My sister was bitten by a llama once.

[pavoni]

  On 9/23/2012 at 3:28 PM, Manege Master said:

I think this thread has been hijacked by Monty Python. My sister was bitten by a llama once.

 

 

My goodness! That sounds as though it was incredibly painful. I do hope she was not too affected!

 

:hmm1: I always thought llamas to such considerate creatures. I was not aware they had the capacity for such bad manners!

 

If it isn't too indelicate a question, may I ask where exactly your good sister sustained her injury?

 

Pavoni.