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Kindly adjust the brightness & contrast of your monitor to accurately depict this Gray Scale.

As the patches are neutral gray, the colour on your monitor should also be neutral.

 

Figure 1.

Grey Scale.

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Figure 2.

Paper: HPJ1124 Laser Copy.

Swabs: Waterman Florida Blue. Dupont Royal Blue.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/Ink%20Review%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/INK410.jpg

WRITTEN SAMPLES: Moby Dick

 

Nib-ism_Link

 

Note - Narrow nibs are showcased in rows 6mm high.

If this does not suit the requirements of narrow nib aficionadi, please let me know, and I'll see what else can be done.

 

Figure 3.

Paper: HPJ1124 Laser Copy.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/Ink%20Review%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/INK412.jpg

Figure 4.

Paper: Rhodia.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/Ink%20Review%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/INK413.jpg

Figure 5.

Paper: G Lalo, Verge de France, white.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/Ink%20Review%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/INK414.jpg

Figure 6.

Grocery List

Paper: Pulp - from a one-a-day cartoon calendar.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/Ink%20Review%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/INK415.jpg

Figure 7.

'Happy'

Paper: Glossy card stock.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/Ink%20Review%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/INK416.jpg

 

OTHER SAMPLES:

Figure 8.

Smear / Dry Time. Wet samples.

Paper: HPJ1124 Laser Copy.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/Ink%20Review%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/INK417.jpg

 

GENERAL DESCRIPTION:

 

Type:

  • Dye-based fountain pen ink.

Daily writer?

  • For those who feel the need to project authority.

Other:

  • An exquisite charismatic ink, that draws one towards it.
  • Even though its not animated, it is definitely present and cannot be ignored.
  • This may be a 'Must Have' for anyone with a Napoleon_Complex

USES:

 

Business:

  • Helvetica in a bottle.
  • Profoundly managerial - not for lesser minions. (Never lend your pen when running this ink.)
  • Can be used without hesitation for all 'downward' correspondence.
  • May have too much gravitas - does not encourage engagement/dialogue.
  • Use carefully for 'upward' correspondence.
  • Not enough zip for mark-up, editing, revision, etc.
  • Signatures.

Illustrations / Graphics:

  • An astute substitution for the usual Dark Blue.
  • Lack of feathering supports its use for tight narrow lines in drawings/diagrams, but it is quite dark, so may lose its colour with very fine lines.

Personal:

  • Iffy.
  • Too much gravitas and not enough conviviality could make this an awkward choice.

PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE & CHARACTERISTICS:

 

Flow:

  • Excellent with all sampled writers.

Nib Dry-out:

  • Not apparent.

Start-up:

  • No hesitation at all.

Lubrication:

  • Outstanding.
  • May reduce feedback from nib, so to keep the nib running on the sweet spot may need a bit of care. (That is apparent with the Platinum MS, which is a bit 'tippy' to start with. I need training wheels with that nib.)

Nib Creepies:

  • None.

Staining:

  • None in the short term.

Clogging:

  • Seems unlikely.

Bleed Through:

  • Not on any of the papers.

Show Though:

  • Both sides of paper may be used without any problem whatsoever.

Smell:

  • Faint. Reminiscent of a drag strip.

Hand oil sensitivity:

  • More than expected.
  • When the humidity's up, one may well use a cover-sheet to protect the lower blank part of the page.

Archival:

  • Makes no such claim.

Smear Results: (Figure 8)

  • Dry within 10 seconds.

Water Resistance: (Figure 8)

  • Not too bad - salvageable, but not usable.

Bulletproof:

  • Makes no such claim.

Clean Up:

  • A bit slow but thorough with plain water.
  • Not worth the nuisance to use a surfactant - just be patient.

Mixing:

  • No stated prohibitions / limitations.
  • I see zero need or inclination to mix or tune this ink, though I imagine some may dilute it ever so slightly with the dew from a rose blossom.

THE LOOK:

 

Saturation:

  • Perfectly fine.
  • Runs well even with the driest nib sampled, the 78G+F, which allows more shading to develop. (See Shading below.)
  • However, I would prefer a writer of at least normal wetness, such as the Pelikan or Waterman.
  • Saturation_Link

Shading:

  • Though the driest writer generated the most shading, trying another dry writer (Another_dry_writer_sample) did not produce more shading in and of itself.
  • The shading tends to be nice & smooth, but still pronounced.
  • Using a harder, rather ink resistant paper won't do it.
  • Shading_Link

Feathering:

  • Absent. thumbup.gif

Variance depending on pen+nib combos used:

  • There will be a variance of shading-saturation depending on the writer, but the look remains quite consistent: a sumptuous classy FP ink.

FIDELITY:

 

Is colour name appropriate / accurate?

Wiki_link.

Yes - the ink name is not something clever that was spawned after Happy Hour. (Anyone from Diamine reading this?)

Note: Some other inks sharing the same name are far more purple.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/InkyThoughts2010/Ink%20Review%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/INK421.jpg

  • That is not 'Royal Blue', rather it is another colour altogether - in the direction of Dark Tyrian Purple, which was historically used by tall poppies / royalty. Also not to be confused with Indigo, (Indigo_Link), another ancient dyestuff.
  • The colour shown on the box... Huh? There's no swatch on the box! Hey, whats-a-goin-on-ere-eh?
  • The colour on the bottle cap is a mere 3mm square, and has a glossy sheen to it. Not too far off, but best ignored.

PAPERS:

 

Lovely papers:

  • This ink should look good on any white writing paper that comes to mind.
  • Could handle paper with optical brighteners.

Trip-wire papers:

  • This ink could withstand the humiliation of off- dirty- white paper.
  • Given this ink's wonderful manners and high performance, I'd not hesitate to say any writing paper, and likely a good number of non-writing papers.

Tinted Papers:

  • If using a normal-to-wet writer, I think the ink would be sufficiently opaque to maintain The Look on most reasonable tints.

Is high-end paper 'worth it'?

  • Not quite.
  • Like other top-tier inks, while you pay extra for ink, it saves many times over on paper. (I just made that up! Is it true? A show of hands please.)
  • The ink has such good manners that it does very well on the HPJ1124.
  • It does change slightly on the other sampled papers, but that's more a matter of preference than performance.

OTHER THAN INK:

 

Presentation:

  • 50ml. bottle in a box.

Country of origin:

  • France.

Container:

  • A round clear glass bottle, with a diameter of 60mm and height of 45mm. The bottle is shallow. Ah me! 4x Rude_Word
  • The centred round opening is a gaping 30mm diameter - enough to swallow curious kittens.
  • The bakelight cap has no grippy bits. (Hon, you seen the come_along?)
  • The cap is not child-proof.
  • The cap seal is plastic foam.
  • Single tank, no filling aids, no sediment collector. Bah!
  • A low-rent sticker on the cap states 'ink', 'encre' and the goofy swatch. Scan_link
  • No HazMat warnings.

Box:

  • Box is 60x52x60mm.
  • Lightly-coated card stock.
  • Design is 'B' as in 'boring'. Not even classy minimalism.
  • Other than Sheaffer's plastic wrap, this must be the worst I've seen. And from the French. Earns 1 'Domage' + 1 Gallic shrug.

Eco-Green:

  • OK.
  • No decadent waste, and all bits likely recycleable/benign.

Availability:

  • Rare in North America. (This bottle was sourced from Quebec - still part of Canada I think.)
  • Other geographic areas? Please chime in.

ETC:

 

Majik:

  • Seems unlikely - the colour is just too staid. So sorry.

Personal Pen & Paper Pick:

  • Anything from the Pelikan, Waterman or Parker pens.

Yickity Yackity:

  • This ink does have more to show.
  • Shaped nibs may certainly be considered, also drier writers.
  • BIG concern: If the MB Blue-Black is white tie, and this ink is black tie, then where is the impeccable Visconti Blue in the ink pecking order?
  • Ah kushbaby, put away all those rubbishy dark blues - this here is the real deal.

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MATERIEL USED:

 

These pen+nib combos:

For Written Samples:

A. Pilot 78G + g-p steel F nib.

B. Rotring 600 + steel F nib

C. Pelikan M1?? + 14C M nib

D. Waterman + 18K M nib

E. Parker UK Duofold (Black) + 14K 'N' nib.

F. Platinum 3776 + 18K MS nib.

G. Parker 45 + steel F-M nib. (Only for drier writer scan.)

 

For lines & labels:

  • Pilot Plumix + steel XF nib; inked with Visconti Bordeaux.

On these papers:

  • HPJ1124 24 lb. Laser Copy.
  • Rhodia, Bloc No. 18.
  • G Lalo 'Verge de France', White
  • Pulp - one-a-day cartoon calendar page: Pilot 78G + F.
  • Glossy card stock: Waterman + M.

NOTES:

 

I use only papers, pens & nibs that are readily available, for which I paid $100 or less and 'stock' - not customised.

  • If some pens/nibs are not currently produced, I'll use them if there are NOS or restored pieces readily available under the $100 price cap.
  • As appropriate, an implement outside of those guidelines may be included, which will be ID-ed as a *Dealer's Choice.

Figures were produced on an Epson V600 scanner; factory defaults were accepted.

  • Originals scanned at 150 dpi & 24 bit colour to produce .jpg files.
  • Close-ups (linked) were scanned at 300 dpi & 24 bit colour to produce .jpg files.
  • The images were not adjusted other than cropping and straightening using iPhoto on a MacBook.
  • Scanner Densitometer Readings were generated from the 'N' in 'Ink Review' in Figure 2: Red 33; Green 134; Blue 210; Luminosity 129.

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Wow....a definite must have! A most wonderful review (yet again....)

Canadian vendors are the closest US seekers can get? Beats France or UK, I guess...

Thanks S1!

God is seldom early, never late, and always on time.

~~Larry Brown

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  On 6/23/2010 at 2:27 AM, esterbex said:

Wow....a definite must have! A most wonderful review (yet again....)

Canadian vendors are the closest US seekers can get? Beats France or UK, I guess...

Thanks S1!

Hi,

This ink is a real 'sleeper'. I really do think the ink is astounding, and I don't get impressed all so easily. And for me to compare an ink to the Montblanc Blue Black and the Visconti Blue is about as much praise as I can heap on a Blue ink, and even pretend to be objective. Well, I did let my subjectivity sneak in.

I don't know of any state-side vendors of the inks. Perhaps chasing down a company that sells their pens might be able to get the ink. No idea who is/are the US distributor or importer of ST Dupont small goods.

EDIT - To add: The Dupont site offers an online look-up here.

The bottle / box has no contact info. There is a Reference No., but it may be from the Retailer - not Dupont : Ref. 040152.

Bye,

S1

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Thanks S1.

I was able to locate several stateside vendors, one not too far away.

God is seldom early, never late, and always on time.

~~Larry Brown

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  On 6/23/2010 at 2:15 PM, esterbex said:

Thanks S1.

I was able to locate several stateside vendors, one not too far away.

You're welocme.

For some reason, I didn't think that Dupont would be so well represented.

Now the task is to see if the Retailers actual have the ink in stock. And double check that it's the Royal Blue, which may take a direct email or phone call to have someone actually look at the label - not just a catalogue / inventory entry.

I encourage you to post your experience and 'hands on' impression of the ink.

Bye,

S1

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Thanks for those tips. I will :thumbup:.

 

 

God is seldom early, never late, and always on time.

~~Larry Brown

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  • 10 months later...

Love this ink! I happen to live in Alberta... And it was 27 dollars! But hey, you only live once so what they hell...

 

Anyway, to clarify, Quebec is still part of Canada Sandy ;)

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  On 5/20/2011 at 3:24 PM, Owner of a Lonely Heart said:

Love this ink! I happen to live in Alberta... And it was 27 dollars! But hey, you only live once so what they hell...

 

Anyway, to clarify, Quebec is still part of Canada Sandy ;)

Hi,

 

indeed! I am still drawn back to this ink time and again.

 

Thanks for the current status of Québec. Some years ago I went to a seminar in Ville de Québec - a fascinating place where everyone's mad about ice hockey. :thumbup: And Cold Lake Alberta too, where everyone's just barking mad.

 

Bye,

S1

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  • 6 months later...

Hi,

 

To support ad hoc comparison to other inks of similar colour, I have revisited S.T. Dupont Royal Blue to add more written samples, etc. These samples use much the same layout, papers, pens and imaging method as the current reviews of Blue inks.

 

As always, should one feel that a separate Post or Topic is required to depict a certain aspect of an ink, your PM will be welcomed. While new scans can be accommodated in due course, creation of even more new written material is unlikely.

 

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Written Samples - Moby Dick

Ruling: 8mm.

 

Paper: HPJ1124.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Expemplars%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/38f48d37.jpg

 

Paper: Rhodia.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Expemplars%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/d88840cc.jpg

 

Paper: Staples 20 lb.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Expemplars%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/d868c372.jpg

 

HiRes Scans:

Originals are 60x30mm.

 

IMG Thumbs:

 

330 on HPJ1124

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Expemplars%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/th_f2c11ef4.jpg

Safari on Rhodia

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Expemplars%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/th_4249c7bb.jpg

 

Other Stuff:

Smear/Dry Times

Wet Tests

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN%20Stuff%20-%202011/Comparison%20Expemplars%20-%20Dupont%20Royal%20Blue/40563542.jpg

 

Comments:

  • Results are consistent with prior samples.
  • The writing experience is luxurious. :cloud9:
  • The bottle was changed to perhaps the most impractical of all: very short, like a paving stone, so that the ink is in a 'pool' rather than a 'column'. How on earth that design supports inking-up is beyond me. What happened to form & function?

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Pens:

  • Sheaffer 330 + steel M nib.
  • Lamy Safari + goosed steel 1.1 nib.

Image Info:

  • Scans were made on an Epson V600 scanner; factory defaults were accepted.
  • Figures shown were scanned at 200 dpi.
  • HiRes images linked were scanned at 300 dpi.
  • Scans were not adjusted post-capture, so went straight to Photobouquet.

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    • Bluetaco 22 Oct 22:04
      howdy
    • FineFinerFinest 21 Oct 5:23
      I'm not expecting any replies to my question about the singing Pelikan nib. It seems, from reading the background, that I am not alone. It's a nice pen. It's such a pity Pelikan can't make decent nibs. I have occasionally met users who tell me how wonderful their Pelikan nib is. I've spent enough money to know that not everyone has this experience. I've worked on nibs occasionally over forty years with great success. This one has me beaten. I won't be buying any more Pelikan pens. 👎
    • FineFinerFinest 21 Oct 4:27
      I've had a Pelikan M805 for a couple of years now and cannot get the nib to write without singing. I've worked on dozens of nibs with great success. Ny suggestion about what's going wrong? 😑
    • Bhakt 12 Oct 5:45
      Any feedback in 100th anniversary Mont Blanc green pens?
    • Glens pens 8 Oct 15:08
      @jordierocks94 i happen to have platinum preppy that has wrote like (bleep) since i bought it my second pen....is that something you would wish to practice on?
    • jordierocks94 4 Oct 6:26
      Hello all - New here. My Art studies have spilled me into the ft pen world where I am happily submerged and floating! I'm looking to repair some cheap pens that are starving for ink yet filled, and eventually get new nibs; and development of repair skills (an even longer learning curve than my art studies - lol). Every hobby needs a hobby, eh ...
    • The_Beginner 18 Sept 23:35
      horse notebooks if you search the title should still appear though it wont show you in your proflie
    • Jayme Brener 16 Sept 22:21
      Hi, guys. I wonder if somebody knows who manufactured the Coro fountain pens.
    • TheHorseNotebooks 16 Sept 13:11
      Hello, it's been ages for me since I was here last time. I had a post (http://www.fountainpennetwork...-notebooks/?view=getnewpost) but I see that it is no longer accessible. Is there anyway to retrieve that one?
    • Refujio Rodriguez 16 Sept 5:39
      I have a match stick simplomatic with a weidlich nib. Does anyone know anything about this pen?
    • The_Beginner 15 Sept 16:11
      dusty yes, glen welcome
    • Glens pens 11 Sept 1:22
      Hello, Im new to FPN I'm so happy to find other foutain penattics. collecting almost one year ,thought I would say hello to everyone.
    • DustyBin 8 Sept 14:34
      I haven't been here for ages... do I take it that private sales are no longer allowed? Also used to be a great place to sell and buy some great pens
    • Sailor Kenshin 1 Sept 12:37
      Lol…
    • JungleJim 1 Sept 1:55
      Perhaps it's like saying Beetlejuice 3 times to get that person to appear, though with @Sailor Kenshin you only have to say it twice?
    • Sailor Kenshin 31 Aug 21:06
      ?
    • Duffy 29 Aug 19:31
      @Sailor Kenshin @Sailor Kenshin
    • Seney724 26 Aug 22:07
    • Diablo 26 Aug 22:05
      Thank you so much, Seney724. I really appreciate your help!
    • Seney724 26 Aug 21:43
      I have no ties or relationship. Just a very happy customer. He is a very experienced Montblanc expert.
    • Seney724 26 Aug 21:42
      I strongly recommend Kirk Speer at https://www.penrealm.com/
    • Diablo 26 Aug 21:35
      @Seney724. The pen was recently disassembled and cleaned, but the nib and feed were not properly inserted into the holder. I'm in Maryland.
    • Diablo 26 Aug 21:32
      @Seney724. The nib section needs to be adjusted properly.
    • Seney724 26 Aug 18:16
      @Diablo. Where are you? What does it need?
    • Diablo 26 Aug 16:58
      Seeking EXPERIENCED, REPUTABLE service/repair for my 149. PLEASE help!!!
    • Penguincollector 19 Aug 19:42
      @Marta Val, reach out to @terim, who runs Peyton Street Pens and is very knowledgeable about Sheaffer pens
    • Marta Val 19 Aug 14:35
      Hello, could someone recommend a reliable venue: on line or brick and mortar in Fairfax, VA or Long Island, NY to purchase the soft parts and a converter to restore my dad's Sheaffer Legacy? please. Thanks a mill.
    • The_Beginner 18 Aug 2:49
      is there a guy who we can message to find a part for us with a given timelimit if so please let me know his name!
    • virtuoso 16 Aug 15:15
      what happene to the new Shaeffer inks?
    • Scribs 14 Aug 17:09
      fatehbajwa, in Writing Instruments, "Fountain Pens + Dip Pens First Stop" ?
    • fatehbajwa 14 Aug 12:17
      Back to FPN after 14 years. First thing I noticed is that I could not see a FS forum. What has changed? 🤔
    • Kika 5 Aug 10:22
      Are there any fountain pen collectors in Qatar?
    • T.D. Rabbit 31 July 18:58
      Ahh okay, thanks!
    • Scribs 29 July 18:51
      @ TDRabbit, even better would be in Creative Expressions area, subform The Write Stuff
    • T.D. Rabbit 29 July 11:40
      Okay, thanks!
    • JungleJim 29 July 0:46
      @T.D. Rabbit Try posting it in the "Chatter Forum". You have to be logged in to see it.
    • T.D. Rabbit 28 July 17:54
      Hello! Is there a thread anywhere 'round here where one can post self-composed poetry? If not, would it be alright if I made one? I searched on google, but to no avail...
    • OldFatDog 26 July 19:41
      I have several Parker Roller Ball & Fiber Tip refills in the original packaging. Where and how do I sell them? The couple that I've opened the ink still flowed when put to paper. Also if a pen would take the foller ball refill then it should take the fiber tip as well? Anyway it's been awhile and I'm want to take my message collection beyond the few pieces that I have... Meaning I don't have a Parker these refills will fit in 🙄
    • RegDiggins 23 July 12:40
      Recently was lucky enough to buy a pristine example of the CF crocodile ball with the gold plating. Then of course I faced the same problem we all have over the years ,of trying to find e refill. Fortunately I discovered one here in the U.K. I wonder if there are other sources which exist in other countries, by the way they were not cheap pen
    • The_Beginner 20 July 20:35
      Hows it going guys i have a code from pen chalet that i wont use for 10% off and it ends aug 31st RC10AUG its 10% off have at it fellas
    • T.D. Rabbit 19 July 9:33
      Somewhat confusing and off-putting ones, as said to me by my very honest friends. I don't have an X account though :<
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