LeMan 100 vs 200

[a aa]

From time to time I see on ebay LeMan pens that are not correctly identified.

 

For the standard black model,is there some way to distinguish a Man 200 from a 100 just from photographs? Any tips would be appreciated.

 

Of course, the best way would be to ask for length measurements, but sellers often ignore requests for this information.

 

Thanks in advance.

Edited February 5, 2010 by a aa

[Eccles]

If you can see under the nib, which is not always the case, the 100 is ribbed, the 200 plain.

Glenn.

 

 

[a aa]

Thanks Eccles.

 

Any other suggestions Waterman experts?

[satrap]

I don't think there was ever a globe on the nib of the 200.

[ethernautrix]

A quick-and-dirty SOOC shot of the two nibs, 200 on top of 100:

 

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4335702956_b37393e229_o.jpg

[a aa]

Quite ritght satrap.

 

There was, of course, also a non-hole nib on the 100, but it looks different from the 200 nib. I guess that's the best way. Alas, not every listing has sharp close up photos of the nib.

 

I don't think there was ever a globe on the nib of the 200.

[a aa]

A quick-and-dirty SOOC shot of the two nibs, 200 on top of 100:

 

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4335702956_b37393e229_o.jpg

 

Thanks for the photo ethernautrix.

[Stylo]

A quick-and-dirty SOOC shot of the two nibs, 200 on top of 100:

These look like fine nibs, are they?

[ethernautrix]

My pleasure, a aa!

 

Stylo, I'm pretty sure these are both XF. Could be F, but back then, my MO was to buy XF. But now I can't remember if that was an option. I'll have to check later.

 

 

 

Having checked: The 100 is F; the 200 is EF.

Edited February 9, 2010 by ethernautrix

[flodoc]

I don't think there was ever a globe on the nib of the 200.

 

However, there were 100s that did not have the globe nib. I have a natural burlwood 100 that does not have the globe nib.

[jigesh]

...the best way would be to ask for length measurements, but sellers often ignore requests for this information....

 

....Alas, not every listing has sharp close up photos of the nib....

 

I would be wary of buying from sellers that don't provide measurements and/or don't have clear pictures. The only color LeMan 100 and 200 can possibly have in common in their base models is black where there could be some confusion in identification. As already suggested, dimensions, absence of globe symbol on the nib and presence of smooth feeder behind the nib are possible identifiers of LeMan 200 model.

[Stylo]

Having checked: The 100 is F; the 200 is EF.

Thanks. I would have guessed the other way around since the 200 tip seems to have some degree of tipping, whereas the 100 looks like a sharp needle. But of course, that could just be due to the angles at which the pens were photographed and the shape of the tip doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.

[a aa]

Thanks all for the helpful comments.

 

Jigesh, I too am cautious when sellers do not provide follow up info.

 

However, in more than one case I have seen what were in fact man 100 pens go for under market price because of incomplete descriptions and poor photos. In each case the seller had good feedback.

[jigesh]

...However, in more than one case I have seen what were in fact man 100 pens go for under market price because of incomplete descriptions and poor photos. In each case the seller had good feedback.

 

That would be a great bargain for the informed buyer and justifiable loss for the seller. Next time, you should grab one like that (assuming you are looking for a Man 100)! Good luck.

Edited February 10, 2010 by jigesh

[satrap]

...However, in more than one case I have seen what were in fact man 100 pens go for under market price because of incomplete descriptions and poor photos. In each case the seller had good feedback.

 

That would be a great bargain for the informed buyer and justifiable loss for the seller. Next time, you should grab one like that (assuming you are looking for a Man 100)! Good luck.

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I got a LeMan 200 FP for 20.00 shipped. Seller said it was RB, picture showed FP. I asked if pic was accurate, seller said, "Yes". Yay, SUMSATRAP!

 

Also got an Opera FP for like 35.00 :roflmho:

One FPN person wanted to get rid of a blue Rhapsody FP (LeMan 200) so she sold it to me for about 40.00.

[jigesh]

I got a LeMan 200 FP for 20.00 shipped. Seller said it was RB, picture showed FP. I asked if pic was accurate, seller said, "Yes". Yay, SUMSATRAP!

 

Also got an Opera FP for like 35.00 :roflmho:

One FPN person wanted to get rid of a blue Rhapsody FP (LeMan 200) so she sold it to me for about 40.00.

 

Wow! I'm speechless.

[a aa]

Sorry to say, I've never had much luck in picking up bargains.

 

The nearest I got to a bargain was a Waterman Gentleman on eBay that was not identified as such. It looked well used and did not generate much interest eventually selling for , IIRC, $ 33 or so. However, upon receiving it all was not well with the nib and section. It needed a $60 repair by a nibmeister, so in the end it was no bargain.

 

 

...However, in more than one case I have seen what were in fact man 100 pens go for under market price because of incomplete descriptions and poor photos. In each case the seller had good feedback.

 

That would be a great bargain for the informed buyer and justifiable loss for the seller. Next time, you should grab one like that (assuming you are looking for a Man 100)! Good luck.

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I got a LeMan 200 FP for 20.00 shipped. Seller said it was RB, picture showed FP. I asked if pic was accurate, seller said, "Yes". Yay, SUMSATRAP!

 

Also got an Opera FP for like 35.00 :roflmho:

One FPN person wanted to get rid of a blue Rhapsody FP (LeMan 200) so she sold it to me for about 40.00.

[satrap]

Sorry to say, I've never had much luck in picking up bargains.

 

The nearest I got to a bargain was a Waterman Gentleman on eBay that was not identified as such. It looked well used and did not generate much interest eventually selling for , IIRC, $ 33 or so. However, upon receiving it all was not well with the nib and section. It needed a $60 repair by a nibmeister, so in the end it was no bargain.

 

 

...However, in more than one case I have seen what were in fact man 100 pens go for under market price because of incomplete descriptions and poor photos. In each case the seller had good feedback.

 

That would be a great bargain for the informed buyer and justifiable loss for the seller. Next time, you should grab one like that (assuming you are looking for a Man 100)! Good luck.

=============

 

I got a LeMan 200 FP for 20.00 shipped. Seller said it was RB, picture showed FP. I asked if pic was accurate, seller said, "Yes". Yay, SUMSATRAP!

 

Also got an Opera FP for like 35.00 :roflmho:

One FPN person wanted to get rid of a blue Rhapsody FP (LeMan 200) so she sold it to me for about 40.00.

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In other words, you paid ~100.00 for a 200.00 pen. The G'man was no slouch, my friend!

[a aa]

Hello satrap,

 

After the repair, this particular G'man was a good user pen at a sensible price. However, given the condition, well used, it was by no means a $200 pen.

 

Also, Gentleman pens, unlike the Man 100, seem to be out of favour and rarely sell for over US $120-150. If you do a search for completed items on eBay you will see that G'men rarely fetch US $150+.

 

Just last year an 'as new' silver G'man was listed on the FPN For Sale forum for $ 165 with two caps, one of the caps was the rare Saint-Gaudens version with the medallion in the clip. The pen was up for several days on the board before being sold. That pretty much set the ceiling for more common variants of the G'man, IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry to say, I've never had much luck in picking up bargains.

 

The nearest I got to a bargain was a Waterman Gentleman on eBay that was not identified as such. It looked well used and did not generate much interest eventually selling for , IIRC, $ 33 or so. However, upon receiving it all was not well with the nib and section. It needed a $60 repair by a nibmeister, so in the end it was no bargain.

 

 

...However, in more than one case I have seen what were in fact man 100 pens go for under market price because of incomplete descriptions and poor photos. In each case the seller had good feedback.

 

That would be a great bargain for the informed buyer and justifiable loss for the seller. Next time, you should grab one like that (assuming you are looking for a Man 100)! Good luck.

=============

 

I got a LeMan 200 FP for 20.00 shipped. Seller said it was RB, picture showed FP. I asked if pic was accurate, seller said, "Yes". Yay, SUMSATRAP!

 

Also got an Opera FP for like 35.00 :roflmho:

One FPN person wanted to get rid of a blue Rhapsody FP (LeMan 200) so she sold it to me for about 40.00.

----------------------

 

In other words, you paid ~100.00 for a 200.00 pen. The G'man was no slouch, my friend!

[satrap]

Hello satrap,

 

After the repair, this particular G'man was a good user pen at a sensible price. However, given the condition, well used, it was by no means a $200 pen.

 

Also, Gentleman pens, unlike the Man 100, seem to be out of favour and rarely sell for over US $120-150. If you do a search for completed items on eBay you will see that G'men rarely fetch US $150+.

 

Just last year an 'as new' silver G'man was listed on the FPN For Sale forum for $ 165 with two caps, one of the caps was the rare Saint-Gaudens version with the medallion in the clip. The pen was up for several days on the board before being sold. That pretty much set the ceiling for more common variants of the G'man, IMO.

 

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When I mentioned the 200.00 amount, I was talking about the retail price for a brand new G when they were in production.