New Montblanc Permanent Inks 2013

[ThierryfromFrance]

Hello everyone, I had announced them almost two years in advance, but they finally arrived : two new permanent inks, blue and black, in addition to the older blue-back one.

The design is extremely minimalist, with white boxes and labels (I love that), but the shape and capacity of the bottle remain unchanged. They will also come in cartridges.

The good news is that they REALLY are permanent, as you can see in my small "washing" test ; they are almost more readable when wet! It will be interesting to see how the black ink behave on bad quality paper... The aspect of the inks seems a bit strange, at first, as it reminded me some acrylic material for artists (what it will become with a constant use in piston filler fountain pens, that we will see later) but when on paper, it looks rather smart ; the blue ink is like Herbin's blue-black, while the black one is a very very deep grey, different from the regular black as it isn't shiny.

The bad news : price are 50 % higher than regular MB inks, but it can be compared with good quality Japanese permanent inks, such as Sailor's.
Thierry

 

[isaacrn]

Its about time!!!

 

So where can one purchase this ink other than boutiques?

[Dillo]

Hi,

 

I wonder what kind of ink it is or how they make it permanent. It's very interesting though!

 

Dillon

[orfew]

Thanks for posting this. I have to try these!

[Soulmaker1]

Very cool! I used the last of my MB Midnight Blue today and need a replacement ink to sign checks and legal docs.

Edited October 5, 2013 by Soulmaker1

[KarloT]

Any idea what they did to make it permanent? Did they take the pigmented or ferro-gallic route?

[libran88]

Wow.. I need this nowwwww.. Thanks for the post..

[Paul Raposo]

This is great news! Any ideas on issues with long term use in pens? Do these need to be managed like the Blue-Black inks, or are they a bit safer for long time use?

[meiers]

Awesome.

[max dog]

Perfect! I've been looking for a permanent blue ink.

[meiers]

Where did you purchase your ink?

[meiers]

Where did you purchase your ink?

[Blade Runner]

Thanks for bringing the news. I prefer permanent inks.

[Mtrap]

Thanks for sharing this new ink. Any one is kind to help me buy a few bottles?

[Paul80]

Hi

 

If its Permanent how do you wash it out of a pen if its left to dry out. Does the normal Ammonia/Water mix still work or is there something else needed.

 

Paul

[dcwaites]

Put some bleach on it. If it fades, then they are still Iron Gall, if they don't, then they have probably adopted cellulose-reactive chemistry (a la Noodler's Bulletproof or Private Reserve Invincible).

 

And it's interesting that they have had these inks certified to ISO 14145-2 for Document inks. That partly explains the higher price. The only other FP ink I know of that was certified to this standard was De Atramentis Document ink, however, their website no longer claims that standard. The ink hasn't gotten any cheaper though...

Edited October 6, 2013 by dcwaites

[KJY]

Very interesting.

Thank you for your time to share it with us.

 

I think I have to follow this topic how it works out with the maintenance of the pens.

[Fuellerfuehrerschein]

From ISO 14145-2:

Roller ball pens and refills - Part 2: Documentary use (DOC) (ISO 14145-2:1998)

 

4 Requirements

4.1 General requirements
See the general requirements given in ISO 14145-1:1998 (4.1 to 4.3.4, 4.3.7 and 4.3.8).
4.2 Erasure resistance
The surface of the testing paper shall show clear evidence of damage before the line is rendered invisible when
tested as specified in 6.2.1.

4.3 Ethanol resistance

The line shall remain visible when tested as specified in 6.2.2.
4.4 Hydrochloric acid resistance
The line shall remain visible when tested as specified in 6.2.3.

4.5 Ammonium hydroxide resistance
The line shall remain visible when tested as specified in 6.2.4.
4.6 Bleaching resistance
The line shall remain visible when tested as specified in 6.2.5.
4.7 Water resistance
The line shall remain visible when tested as specified in 6.2.6.
4.8 Light resistance

The line shall remain visible when tested as specified in 6.2.7.
5 Test equipment, accessories and solutions
5.1 Test equipment and accessories
See ISO 14145-1.
5.2 Test solutions
5.2.1 Ethanol solution, 50 % aqueous solution (volume fraction).
5.2.2 Hydrochloric acid solution, 10 % aqueous solution (mass fraction).
5.2.3 Ammonium hydroxide solution, 10 % aqueous solution (mass fraction).
5.2.4 Bleaching solution, 3 % freshly made aqueous solution of chloramin T1) (mass fraction).

 

At http://www.nen.nl/pdfpreview/preview_26820.pdf you can read more about ISO 14145-2.

 

[cybaea]

Is there anything in the instructions about pen maintenance, e.g. 'flush regularly' or similar?

[cybaea]

Put some bleach on it. If it fades, then they are still Iron Gall, if they don't, then they have probably adopted cellulose-reactive chemistry (a la Noodler's Bulletproof or Private Reserve Invincible).

 

And it's interesting that they have had these inks certified to ISO 14145-2 for Document inks. That partly explains the higher price. The only other FP ink I know of that was certified to this standard was De Atramentis Document ink, however, their website no longer claims that standard. The ink hasn't gotten any cheaper though...

 

Isn't ISO 14145-2 a self-certification? You rub some ethanol on your writing and slap a ISO label on your box? (I am exaggerating, of course, and would not suggest that any of the manufacturers follow anything but the strictest test procedures. But the cost sould not be great.)